Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast: Agile storytelling from the trenches

Vasco Duarte, Agile Coach, Certified Scrum Master, Certified Product Owner
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Every week day, Certified Scrum Master, Agile Coach and business consultant Vasco Duarte interviews Scrum Masters and Agile Coaches from all over the world to get you actionable advice, new tips and tricks, improve your craft as a Scrum Master with daily doses of inspiring conversations with Scrum Masters from the all over the world. Stay tuned for BONUS episodes when we interview Agile gurus and other thought leaders in the business space to bring you the Agile Business perspective you need to succeed as a Scrum Master. Some of the topics we discuss include: Agile Business, Agile Strategy, Retrospectives, Team motivation, Sprint Planning, Daily Scrum, Sprint Review, Backlog Refinement, Scaling Scrum, Lean Startup, Test Driven Development (TDD), Behavior Driven Development (BDD), Paper Prototyping, QA in Scrum, the role of agile managers, servant leadership, agile coaching, and more!

  1. 3H AGO

    BONUS AI in Organizations Track Preview With Michał Parkoła and Michael Dougherty

    BONUS: AI Won't Just Change How You Work — It Will Reshape Your Organization The Global Agile Summit is around the corner, and the AI in Organizations track is one you don't want to miss. In this episode, track co-hosts Michael Dougherty and Michał Parkoła walk us through what they've built — from the thinking behind the track name to the sessions that stood out, and why this isn't just another AI conference lineup. Why "AI in Organizations" — Not Just "AI" "AI will not only be useful to existing organizations, but it will reshape organizations in a very significant way, the same way cars reshaped cities."   Michael and Michał drew a deliberate line with the track name. Michael points out that AI has been around for decades — it didn't start with ChatGPT. The real shift now is AI agents scaling to enterprise level, replacing automation that used to require specialized tools. Claude Enterprise holds about 29% of the enterprise AI market, Gemini around 15%. But Michał pushes the framing further: the first-order effect is applying AI to existing work. The second-order effect — the one he's most interested in — is how AI will reshape organizations themselves. New species of companies will emerge, smaller teams will achieve what used to require hundreds of people, and some existing organizations won't survive the transition. That's the conversation this track is designed to start. Filtering the Signal From the Slop "There was a bit of AI slop in the submissions. There was a lot of talk that, unfortunately, was meta-talk — there was no real value that I could glean."   When session submissions came in, Michael was disappointed by how many were surface-level — big promises with no practical takeaway. The ones that stood out were practitioners showing what they actually do. Dave Westgarth, for example, demonstrated how he uses AI with Lovable and Claude embedded in Miro whiteboards to enhance real team interactions. On Michał's side, the standout was Max Pirata, who challenged the "vibe coding is slop" narrative. His argument: the quality of large-scale software has never depended on the infallibility of individual engineers — it depends on disciplined engineering processes. The same applies to agentic engineering. Your first attempt at vibe coding will be rough, but there are ways to apply engineering discipline to AI-assisted development. That's what Max will be talking about at the summit. Prototyping at the Speed of Thought — And the Human Bottleneck "Now I've got 20 prototypes that I can choose from. Which ones are the best? Which ones do I need to clear out? Product managers now have a different game they play."   Two sessions capture opposite sides of the AI-in-organizations tension. Dave Westgarth's "Vibe UX: Prototyping at the Speed of Thought" shows how vibe coding lets you build full working systems instead of Figma mockups — so fast that the bottleneck shifts from creation to selection. Product managers and product owners now face a new challenge: clearing the closet of AI-generated options rather than validating a single bet. On the other side, Shawn Wallack's session — "Even With AI, Your System Will Never Be Better Than Its People" — brings the counterpoint. Michael explains the systems-thinking angle: AI does what you tell it, fast and accurately, but that speed reveals human bottlenecks everywhere else. He shares the cautionary example of AI declining twice the insurance claims humans did, with the human-in-the-loop rubber-stamping instead of actually checking — leading to a class action lawsuit. The lesson: AI doesn't remove the need for human judgment, it makes it more critical. Gojko Adzic on Spec-Driven Development and Building AI Products "True to his roots, he is exploring spec-driven development now, which is one of the popular threads in agentic engineering."   Gojko Adzic — the author of Specification by Example and Impact Mapping — brings heavyweight credibility to the track. Michał reveals that while Gojko is exploring spec-driven development in the context of agentic engineering, the interview focused more on his hands-on experience building his own AI products. For attendees, this means real practitioner insights from someone who literally wrote the book on how specifications drive software quality — now applying those principles in an AI-first world. From Beginner to Builder — Who This Track Is For "My favorite case would be people who will quit their jobs and start new companies that will be able to achieve wonderful things with much smaller teams than we would otherwise imagine possible."   The track is designed to meet people wherever they are. Pierre Beaning covers the basics of using Claude for beginners. Jason Little — who Michael describes as a "techno nerd" and "grand poobah" — shows how to build and scale multi-agent systems for business. The spectrum runs from "I've only used AI to plan a vacation" to "I'm orchestrating agent teams." But Michał's vision for the ideal attendee is bolder: someone who walks away ready to start a company. Michael backs this up with the story of an AI unicorn — $1.8 billion valuation, one guy and his brother, in the pharmaceutical industry, just a few months old. Hype? Maybe. But Michał's pragmatic take lands it: "If you make a few million, even if it dies later, that's not such a bad thing." The goal of the track is to blow away the fog — throw flares into key spots so people can sketch a map of what's possible and decide which areas deserve a follow-up. About Michael Dougherty Michael Dougherty is the Co-author of Shift: From Product to People, leadership coach with 30+ years helping organizations adopt people-centered, agile ways of working. Co-owner of the Global Agile Summit.   You can link with Michael Dougherty on LinkedIn and find out more at shiftingpeople.com. About Michał Parkoła Michał Parkoła is an Agile practitioner based in Warsaw, Poland. Previously hosted the Value-Centric Product Development track at Agile Online Summit 2024. He is building Tapestry, an AI planning assistant.   You can link with Michał Parkoła on LinkedIn and check out Tapestry at growwithtapestry.com.

    27 min

  2. 3D AGO

    The Curious Product Owner and the Disempowered One — How Scrum Masters Can Help POs Find Their Voice | Viktor Glinka

    Viktor Glinka: The Curious Product Owner and the Disempowered One — How Scrum Masters Can Help POs Find Their Voice In this episode, we refer to product owner anti-patterns and product owner interviews on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast. The Great Product Owner: The Curious Negotiator Who Uses Data and Passion Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.   "Great product owners are always asking: what if? How can we do it differently? How can we simplify?" - Viktor Glinka   Viktor describes great product owners as fundamentally curious people who constantly look for simpler, better ways to do things. But curiosity alone isn't enough — they're also skilled negotiators who navigate conversations with teams, stakeholders, and customers. In scaled setups, their work shifts from clarification to prioritization, and they delegate effectively. Viktor highlights their visualization skills with a concrete example: one product owner showed stakeholders a work composition chart revealing that more than 50% of the team's work was technical debt, making it impossible to deliver new features. That single visualization changed the conversation. Great product owners are also systems thinkers who understand dynamics and root causes, avoiding local optimization. Viktor adds something rarely discussed in frameworks: mindfulness. Product owners face constant pressure, and the ability to make peace with decisions — to move forward without regret — is critical. They also share their passion and vulnerability with development teams, telling them personally why they want to build something. It's the emotional complement to data-driven negotiation.   Self-reflection Question: Does your product owner use data and visualization to negotiate with stakeholders, or do they rely on authority and deadlines? How could you help them build those skills? The Bad Product Owner: The Disempowered Middleman Who Can't Give Direction Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.   "This fear of not being allowed — it's an illusion. You can always do more. Just try. No one will fire you for a suggestion." - Viktor Glinka   For Viktor, the worst product owner anti-pattern isn't about skill or knowledge — it's about empowerment. He believes every person can learn to become a great product owner if they are empowered and trusted by the organization. The red flags are clear: when a product owner talks about deadlines and commitments but never about return on investment or outcomes, that's a sign they're being pushed rather than empowered. Viktor shares the story of a product owner who was struggling to give direction because stakeholders just wanted their features delivered. He was a middleman — afraid to communicate his own vision to the team, afraid to challenge stakeholders. But inside, there was a spark of passion about the product. Viktor helped him uncover it using a simple tool: the product vision canvas. They sat down together and put his thoughts on paper. Once the vision was written, the product owner started thinking about the next step on his own: "What if I show this to stakeholders? What if I tell them there's a better way?" The product vision canvas became the bridge from learned helplessness to ownership.   Self-reflection Question: Is your product owner telling themselves "I'm not allowed to" when they actually could do more? What's the smallest experiment you could run together to test that assumption?   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends] 🔥In the ruthless world of fintech, success isn't just about innovation—it's about coaching!🔥 Angela thought she was just there to coach a team. But now, she's caught in the middle of a corporate espionage drama that could make or break the future of digital banking. Can she help the team regain their mojo and outwit their rivals, or will the competition crush their ambitions? As alliances shift and the pressure builds, one thing becomes clear: this isn't just about the product—it's about the people.   🚨 Will Angela's coaching be enough? Find out in Shift: From Product to People—the gripping story of high-stakes innovation and corporate intrigue.   Buy Now on Amazon   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends]   About Viktor Glinka   Viktor is an organisational consultant and Professional Scrum Master who helps teams and leaders find simpler ways to deliver value while keeping the human side of work at the center. He's practical, curious, and focused on real outcomes rather than buzzwords. His true passion is adaptability - both in business and in personal life.   You can link with Viktor Glinka on LinkedIn.

    17 min

  3. 4D AGO

    Why Context Is King for Scrum Master Success — Building Capabilities That Drive Business Goals | Viktor Glinka

    Viktor Glinka: Why Context Is King for Scrum Master Success — Building Capabilities That Drive Business Goals Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.   "Product management skills are crucial for Scrum Masters. Once you understand how retention impacts your return on investment, you will be able to coach your product owner." - Viktor Glinka   Viktor offers a nuanced perspective on Scrum Master success by distinguishing between short-term and long-term success. On the long-term side, he argues that the purpose of a Scrum Master extends beyond working with teams — it's about helping improve the system as a whole. To do that, you need to connect your contribution to the product's success by helping build specific capabilities. Viktor grounds this in practical terms: start by asking what the business goal of your company is, and check whether people around you actually know it. Never assume everyone does. That simple act of curiosity gives you the information you need to figure out how to contribute. In his experience, the key capability his teams needed to develop was multi-learning — the ability to work across components — and that directly served the business goal. Viktor makes a strong case that Scrum Masters need product management skills. Understanding how metrics like retention impact long-term success allows you to coach product owners and analyze product dynamics. His practical advice: if you're not experienced in this, go shadow your product owner, spend time with the sales department, and look through customer support tickets. You'll understand far more about the system than staying at the development organization level.   Self-reflection Question: Can you clearly explain how your work as a Scrum Master contributes to your product's success? What specific capability are you helping the system build right now? Featured Retrospective Format for the Week: Data-Driven Discussions with Actionable Outcomes Viktor's approach to retrospectives is refreshingly pragmatic: it depends on the team. For teams not yet used to actionable improvements, he starts simple — review previous retro decisions, ensure new concrete ones are created, and bring data as food for thought. He particularly likes using the cumulative flow diagram and time distribution histogram to help teams reflect on consistency in delivery. One team he worked with adopted this as a natural habit over time. For mature teams, format matters less — one team ran a simple "good, bad, to improve" retro in 30 minutes on their own, without a Scrum Master, and it was one of the most engaged and effective retrospectives Viktor had ever seen. He also values the free-talk format when first meeting a new team, coming in with genuine curiosity and no biases. And when something clearly went wrong — an incident, a failure — Viktor drops whatever format he had prepared. "In those moments, it's important to trust your instinct, read the room, sense the tension, and step into the danger directly."   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends] 🔥In the ruthless world of fintech, success isn't just about innovation—it's about coaching!🔥 Angela thought she was just there to coach a team. But now, she's caught in the middle of a corporate espionage drama that could make or break the future of digital banking. Can she help the team regain their mojo and outwit their rivals, or will the competition crush their ambitions? As alliances shift and the pressure builds, one thing becomes clear: this isn't just about the product—it's about the people.   🚨 Will Angela's coaching be enough? Find out in Shift: From Product to People—the gripping story of high-stakes innovation and corporate intrigue.   Buy Now on Amazon   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends]   About Viktor Glinka   Viktor is an organisational consultant and Professional Scrum Master who helps teams and leaders find simpler ways to deliver value while keeping the human side of work at the center. He's practical, curious, and focused on real outcomes rather than buzzwords. His true passion is adaptability - both in business and in personal life.   You can link with Viktor Glinka on LinkedIn.

    13 min

  4. 5D AGO

    From Component Teams to Cross-Functional Teams — How to Navigate the Hardest Agile Transformation | Viktor Glinka

    Viktor Glinka: From Component Teams to Cross-Functional Teams — How to Navigate the Hardest Agile Transformation Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.   "Our customers do not buy our components. They use the product as a whole. And when it comes to integration, the real problem pops up." - Viktor Glinka   Viktor brings a challenge many Scrum Masters face: transitioning from component teams to cross-component, cross-functional teams in a large-scale Scrum setup. Picture 8 to 10 teams, each owning their own part of the system, never touching anything else — and the company stuck in delivery for months. The premise behind component teams sounds logical: specialization leads to speed. But as Viktor explains, that speed is local — optimized for the component, not the product. When integration time arrives, responsibility gaps appear, rework multiplies, and teams start identifying with their components rather than the product. "We're the billing team — we don't deal with anything else." When they reorganized into cross-functional teams, the complaints were immediate: "I was really productive before, and now I can't finish anything." Viktor and his fellow Scrum Masters took a two-pronged approach. First, they secured time credit from leadership — a couple of months where learning was prioritized over deadlines. They ran mob programming sessions, coached teams, and removed impediments. Second, they shifted focus from outputs to outcomes, organizing customer interviews that helped developers understand what users actually needed. The development director reinforced this by joining refinement sessions, telling teams: "You might not develop anything if it still satisfies the customer need." The result was a shift from transactional stakeholder relationships to genuine cooperation, and teams that began to see beyond their component boundaries.   Self-reflection Question: If your teams are organized around components, what would it take to run one experiment — just one sprint — where a team picks up work outside their usual component? What would you need to make that safe?   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends] 🔥In the ruthless world of fintech, success isn't just about innovation—it's about coaching!🔥 Angela thought she was just there to coach a team. But now, she's caught in the middle of a corporate espionage drama that could make or break the future of digital banking. Can she help the team regain their mojo and outwit their rivals, or will the competition crush their ambitions? As alliances shift and the pressure builds, one thing becomes clear: this isn't just about the product—it's about the people.   🚨 Will Angela's coaching be enough? Find out in Shift: From Product to People—the gripping story of high-stakes innovation and corporate intrigue.   Buy Now on Amazon   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends]   About Viktor Glinka   Viktor is an organisational consultant and Professional Scrum Master who helps teams and leaders find simpler ways to deliver value while keeping the human side of work at the center. He's practical, curious, and focused on real outcomes rather than buzzwords. His true passion is adaptability - both in business and in personal life.   You can link with Viktor Glinka on LinkedIn.

    17 min

  5. 6D AGO

    When Internal and External Team Members Have Divergent Goals — The Silent Killer of Agile Teams | Viktor Glinka

    Viktor Glinka: When Internal and External Team Members Have Divergent Goals — The Silent Killer of Agile Teams Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.   "The root causes for destructive team patterns often lie outside the team itself." - Viktor Glinka   Viktor shares a story from a manufacturing organization where one team stood out — and not in a good way. The team was composed of both internal and external members, and what no one saw coming was that their implicit goals were fundamentally divergent: the external members were focused on maximizing revenue for their own company, while the internal members cared deeply about product quality. The signs were visible to anyone who approached them — they barely talked to each other and preferred to work individually. When Viktor tried to raise the topic of cooperation and trust, he was met with awkward silence. One team member finally told him: "I don't want the team to blow up. In my previous experience, I raised this topic and that was the end of the team." Fear kept the truth underground. Viktor brought his observations to the manager, who acknowledged the lack of a shared goal as the root cause — but couldn't fix it because he wasn't authorized to manage the external people. The takeaway was clear: three key success factors for any team are the right team composition with people who want to work together, a shared goal that unites diverse perspectives, and clear expectations set by their manager.   In this segment, we talk about LeSS self-designing team workshops and the importance of team composition in scaled setups.   Self-reflection Question: Does your team have a shared goal that everyone — including external members and contractors — genuinely understands and cares about? When was the last time you checked? Featured Book of the Week: The Art of Doing Twice the Work in Half the Time by Jeff Sutherland Viktor recommends The Art of Doing Twice the Work in Half the Time by Jeff Sutherland as the book that sparked his passion for Scrum. As he puts it: "I know the title is very controversial and often criticized, but I could deeply relate to the stories inside the book. They sparked a passion that is still with me." Viktor also recommends a bonus book: Reinventing Organizations by Frederic Laloux, which showed him the real power of self-organization and validated what he had already started experimenting with in his project management career. It pushed him to explore holacracy, sociocracy, intent-based leadership, and coaching.   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends] 🔥In the ruthless world of fintech, success isn't just about innovation—it's about coaching!🔥 Angela thought she was just there to coach a team. But now, she's caught in the middle of a corporate espionage drama that could make or break the future of digital banking. Can she help the team regain their mojo and outwit their rivals, or will the competition crush their ambitions? As alliances shift and the pressure builds, one thing becomes clear: this isn't just about the product—it's about the people.   🚨 Will Angela's coaching be enough? Find out in Shift: From Product to People—the gripping story of high-stakes innovation and corporate intrigue.   Buy Now on Amazon   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends]   About Viktor Glinka   Viktor is an organisational consultant and Professional Scrum Master who helps teams and leaders find simpler ways to deliver value while keeping the human side of work at the center. He's practical, curious, and focused on real outcomes rather than buzzwords. His true passion is adaptability - both in business and in personal life.   You can link with Viktor Glinka on LinkedIn.

    14 min

  6. APR 20

    When Passion Becomes the Problem — How Pushing for Agile Change Too Fast Creates Resistance | Viktor Glinka

    Viktor Glinka: When Passion Becomes the Problem — How Pushing for Agile Change Too Fast Creates Resistance Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.   "I wanted to change the organization overnight with my eagerness and passion. Instead of helping the system to evolve, I created resistance. I became the problem myself." - Viktor Glinka   Viktor shares one of the most honest failure stories we've heard on the show. Early in his Scrum Master career, he joined a finance organization as a Scrum Master for a newly created department — his first experience in a scaled setup. Each team owned a particular part of the user journey, organized around components. After getting exposed to Large-Scale Scrum (LeSS) through a colleague, Viktor became overexcited. He started pushing for structural changes daily, telling the head of department that the current team composition was wrong and they needed cross-functional feature teams. But he was disconnected from reality. For this particular organization, even having partially cross-functional teams was already a big stretch. Worse, the head of department wasn't even authorized to make the changes Viktor was pushing for. Instead of helping the system evolve, he created resistance. What proved his approach wrong? That same department later received a European Award for being the best mortgage department. It took Viktor a few more years and similar cases to fully absorb the lesson: read the room, develop sensitivity to the system's pace, and stimulate reflection in decision makers rather than pushing your own agenda.   In this episode, we refer to organizational development, LeSS (Large-Scale Scrum), and systems analysis. Viktor also mentions the interview with Bas Vodde on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast.   Self-reflection Question: When was the last time you pushed for a change because you believed it was right, without checking whether the system was ready for it? What would happen if you started by asking decision makers what they think would be a good next step?   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends] 🔥In the ruthless world of fintech, success isn't just about innovation—it's about coaching!🔥 Angela thought she was just there to coach a team. But now, she's caught in the middle of a corporate espionage drama that could make or break the future of digital banking. Can she help the team regain their mojo and outwit their rivals, or will the competition crush their ambitions? As alliances shift and the pressure builds, one thing becomes clear: this isn't just about the product—it's about the people.   🚨 Will Angela's coaching be enough? Find out in Shift: From Product to People—the gripping story of high-stakes innovation and corporate intrigue.   Buy Now on Amazon   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends]   About Viktor Glinka   Viktor is an organisational consultant and Professional Scrum Master who helps teams and leaders find simpler ways to deliver value while keeping the human side of work at the center. He's practical, curious, and focused on real outcomes rather than buzzwords. His true passion is adaptability - both in business and in personal life.   You can link with Viktor Glinka on LinkedIn.

    16 min

  7. APR 18

    BONUS From 3,000 Scripts to 3 Tools - Building AI-Last Software With Peter Swimm

    BONUS: From 3,000 Scripts to 3 Tools - Building AI-Last Software With Conversational AI Pioneer Peter Swimm In this special BONUS episode, Peter Swimm—conversational AI veteran, creator of BotKit (the open-source chatbot framework that powered Slack and Teams bots), and former Principal Product Manager at Microsoft Copilot Studio—shares what 25+ years in tech taught him about working with AI. From his brutal experiment of running an entire business on voice-based AI for a week, to why he treats AI more like R2-D2 than C-3PO, Peter offers a grounded, practical perspective on where AI fits in software development teams. From BotKit to Copilot Studio: A Front-Row Seat to the AI Evolution "We had the number one bot in the Slack app store, because there were only 8 bots, and ours used regex. To show you how far we've come."   Peter's journey into conversational AI started with a newspaper ad and a creative writing background. When Slack launched its API, Peter and BotKit co-creator Ben Brown immediately saw that building bots wasn't just a technical challenge—it was a social and creative one, like writing scripts for plays that interface with people in their daily lives. That insight powered BotKit into becoming the backbone of Slack and Teams bots, and eventually led to Microsoft acquiring the company. Peter spent years inside Microsoft shaping Copilot Studio, working on connectors that bridge the gap between APIs and real-world work. But the experience also gave him a healthy dose of perspective: he can show you slide decks from 2016 that promise the same things today's AI pitches promise, always saying "within 5 years." That pattern recognition shapes his practical, no-hype approach. The 3,000 Scripts Experiment: Why AI-Last Beats AI-First "At the end of the day, if I've been prompting all day, I should have a computer program that works offline, that works without a subscription. Otherwise, I didn't really make anything."   Peter ran a week-long experiment trying to run his entire business using only voice-based conversational AI. The result: 3,000 generated scripts. After static code analysis, he discovered it was really only 5 programs made thousands of times—and those 5 programs were really just 2 or 3 core abilities. He deleted 36 gigabytes of generated code and kept 50 megabytes of what actually worked. This brutal compression led him to an "AI-last" philosophy: build reliable runtime software that works confidently in one click, then use AI only for exploration, connection-making, and creative riffing. The payoff is striking—within 3 weeks of a given application, his team sees a 90% reduction in AI usage in the first week, dropping to 0% within 13 days, because once a computer program does everything you need, you don't need AI anymore. R2-D2, Not C-3PO: How to Think About AI on Your Team "I think of our AI use more like R2-D2 than C-3PO. R2-D2 doesn't talk—bonus points. He doesn't interject his fear. He saves your butt. He's silent until you need him, and visible when you need him."   Peter's Star Wars analogy captures his team's philosophy on AI integration. AI should be like a smarter linter—a quiet, capable tool that handles the boring, repetitive tasks so humans can focus on creativity and shipping. His team treats AI as a "super junior" with infinite time: set it up as if it invented Python, have it write buy-the-book code with unit tests, and then a human reviews and accepts (or rejects) the output. The tooling isn't consistent enough to ship autonomously or commit directly into the codebase—even frontier providers don't fully understand what their models do. The practical benefit is enormous for setup and configuration: what used to be a painful, arcane process of tracking down dozens of AWS or Azure docs becomes a 20-minute "hello world" that's actually a working proof of concept. Your job isn't to become an expert at cloud services—it's to ship product. The Biggest Mistake: Automating Broken Processes at AI Speed "All it does is automate all the mistakes you made, all the way, at AI speed."   When asked about the most common mistake organizations make with AI, Peter is blunt: they port their existing infrastructure into AI-governed systems instead of rebuilding from the ground up. Companies with a self-inflated opinion of their processes think AI is just a million-person force multiplier—so they'll ship faster. But if your process was broken before AI, you'll just generate broken output at unprecedented scale. That 3,000-script experiment proved this firsthand. Peter's recommendation: rebuild from the bolts up. Start with AI-last architecture where reliable, offline-capable software handles the core, and AI is reserved for the edges—filling gaps, translating between systems, and making connections that don't exist yet. SaaS Is Bloated: The Case for AI Transformation Layers "The one thing AI is good at is transforming between boundaries."   Peter's team has been divesting from SaaS providers, replacing the patchwork of middleware subscription plans that forced everyone to copy and paste between CMS, Excel, meeting notes, and email. His approach: product people use Notion, developers use GitHub, and the two cross-sync without needing Jira as an arbitration layer. Everyone tracks work in the tool they already live in. AI's real superpower here is translation—between APIs, between languages, between formats. Peter sees a future where small translation layers between CRUD operations replace the bloated, one-size-fits-all SaaS tools that are "built for 99% of users with generalized features nobody uses." His team also freed themselves from tools like Figma: the designer works in their preferred graphics program, the developer in their preferred IDE, and AI arbitrates the differences. Teams, Velocity, and Reinvesting the AI Dividend "5 to 7 people is still good, because you need a diverse set of people who are intensely focused on certain areas. But they should be allotted that savings in time to ship all the things that get cut."   Peter pushes back on the idea that AI changes the ideal team size. The 5-to-7 person team still works—what should change is what those people do with the time they save. Instead of loading teams onto more projects or increasing portfolio velocity, reinvest the AI productivity dividend into quality: ship with unit tests from day one, ship WCAG-compliant from day one, and stop cutting features to hit deadlines. Version 1.0 should no longer need an immediate 1.1 follow-up. Peter also challenges the notion that AI eliminates the need for experienced practitioners—velocity metrics become meaningless when a 6-week coding plan finishes in 25 minutes. What matters is using the saved time to make software genuinely better. The Future: Demo-First Development and Solid Releases "I can show you a working demo of the thing at the first meeting, and you can pay for it. And then we can make it better than your dreams."   Peter sees AI transforming the consulting and product development lifecycle from "launch, listen, and learn" to "listen, iterate, and launch." As a consultant, he now brings working demos to first meetings instead of $20,000 six-week proposals. Clients see the product in motion and immediately identify improvements—before money changes hands. This shifts the power dynamic: products iterate toward quality before launch, not after. Peter envisions a future where we ship solid releases that iterate in quality, with interfaces that show users only what's relevant to them instead of "90,000 buttons that don't apply to me."   About Peter Swimm   Peter Swimm is a conversational AI veteran with 25+ years in tech — from managing data centers to building Botkit (the open-source chatbot framework that powered Slack and Teams bots), to serving as Principal Product Manager at Microsoft Copilot Studio. He's the founder of Toilville, a consultancy helping businesses build conversational AI solutions.   You can link with Peter Swimm on LinkedIn and visit his website at peterswimm.com.

    31 min

  8. APR 17

    The People-Pleasing Product Owner and the PO Who Understood User Value — Two Sides of Product Ownership | Efe Gümüs

    Efe Gümüs: The People-Pleasing Product Owner and the PO Who Understood User Value — Two Sides of Product Ownership In this episode, we refer to the SPIDR slicing method. The Great Product Owner: The PO Who Understood User Value Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.   "If your product owner can phrase what the user wants to do — not what the button should look like — it is going to be a night and day difference." - Efe Gümüs   Efe describes the great product owner as someone who creates focus and a clear product vision, so the team knows what they're building and why. The foundation is simple but powerful: describe what the user will be able to do, not what the interface should look like. Instead of specifying a red subscribe button with exact text in three languages, say "as a user, I want to subscribe to my favorite channel." That shift unlocks the team's ability to contribute design insights, architecture decisions, and user journey thinking — the kind of expertise no product owner could anticipate alone. Efe highlights the SPIDR slicing method as one of his favorite tools for breaking product backlog items into consumable pieces — by interface (iOS, Android, web), by data, by rules. When the PO frames work around user value and slices it effectively, the team delivers visible value in iterations, and sprint goals become meaningful. Without this, the team becomes a ticket delivery machine.   Self-reflection Question: When you look at your product backlog right now, are items described in terms of what users can do — or in terms of what the interface should look like? The Bad Product Owner: The People-Pleasing PO Who Says Yes to Everything Read the full Show Notes and search through the world's largest audio library on Agile and Scrum directly on the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast website: http://bit.ly/SMTP_ShowNotes.   "If you are doing everything your customer says, then you are not managing your product. That's the foundation." - Efe Gümüs   Efe names people-pleasing as the worst product owner anti-pattern — the "customer is always right" mentality applied to product management. When a PO says yes to every request, the consequences cascade quickly: multiple priorities competing simultaneously, everything marked urgent, no meaningful sprint goal, constant context switching, and new items injected mid-sprint. The team loses focus entirely. Efe has seen this in startups where the CEO walks in with urgent customer requests, and in larger organizations where multiple customers each demand customizations. In both cases, the PO becomes a pass-through instead of a decision-maker. The customer might be happy today, but will they be satisfied in six months when nothing is coherent? As Vasco notes, when you're serving multiple customers and saying yes to one, you're saying no to all the others — you just haven't told them yet. The result is chaos: steering blindfolded without navigational tools, trying to go everywhere at the same time. A product owner's most important skill is coherent, aligned decision-making — and that means learning to say no.   Self-reflection Question: How often does your product owner say no to stakeholder requests — and when they do say yes, is it because the request aligns with the product vision or because they want to avoid conflict?   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends] 🔥In the ruthless world of fintech, success isn't just about innovation—it's about coaching!🔥 Angela thought she was just there to coach a team. But now, she's caught in the middle of a corporate espionage drama that could make or break the future of digital banking. Can she help the team regain their mojo and outwit their rivals, or will the competition crush their ambitions? As alliances shift and the pressure builds, one thing becomes clear: this isn't just about the product—it's about the people.   🚨 Will Angela's coaching be enough? Find out in Shift: From Product to People—the gripping story of high-stakes innovation and corporate intrigue.   Buy Now on Amazon   [The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast Recommends]   About Efe Gümüs   Efe is an out-of-the-box Agile Coach and Scrum Master who brings fresh perspectives to Agile by connecting it with everyday life. He uses metaphors to reveal mindset patterns and applies continuous feedback loops beyond work, including music production and gym training, constantly refining performance, creativity, and personal growth and resilience.   You can link with Efe Gümüs on LinkedIn.

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Every week day, Certified Scrum Master, Agile Coach and business consultant Vasco Duarte interviews Scrum Masters and Agile Coaches from all over the world to get you actionable advice, new tips and tricks, improve your craft as a Scrum Master with daily doses of inspiring conversations with Scrum Masters from the all over the world. Stay tuned for BONUS episodes when we interview Agile gurus and other thought leaders in the business space to bring you the Agile Business perspective you need to succeed as a Scrum Master. Some of the topics we discuss include: Agile Business, Agile Strategy, Retrospectives, Team motivation, Sprint Planning, Daily Scrum, Sprint Review, Backlog Refinement, Scaling Scrum, Lean Startup, Test Driven Development (TDD), Behavior Driven Development (BDD), Paper Prototyping, QA in Scrum, the role of agile managers, servant leadership, agile coaching, and more!

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