SMB Community Podcast: Business Advice for Small MSP Owners

Dave Sobel, Amy Babinchak, Small Biz Thoughts, James Kernan
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Running a small MSP means being the CEO, the sales team, the HR department, and the escalation tech — usually in the same afternoon. The SMB Community Podcast is where MSP owners get straight answers on the business side of running an MSP. Every week, Amy Babinchak, and James Kernan — MSP owners and advisors from the Small Biz Thoughts community — take on the questions small MSP owners actually ask: How should I price? When do I hire? Should I give a proposal at the first meeting? What is my MSP worth? No vendor pitches and no theory — practical advice from people who have run, grown, and sold IT businesses. What this MSP podcast covers: • MSP sales and client growth — the MSP sales process, proposals, price objections, referrals, local marketing, and choosing a CRM • MSP pricing and agreements — MSP pricing models, single plan vs. tiers, price increases, managed service contracts, margins, and cash flow • Leading an MSP team — MSP hiring, tech compensation and commissions, accountability, culture, and EOS for small MSPs • MSP operations — processes, KPIs, documentation, your MSP stack, and the Microsoft Partner Program • Selling your MSP — MSP valuation, exit planning, private equity, and building a business that runs without you • AI for small MSPs — selling AI services, AI governance for clients, shadow IT, and what AI does to per-seat pricing Questions we answer: • How should a small MSP price its services — one plan or several? • When can an MSP owner afford the next hire, and how should you pay techs? • How do you raise prices without losing clients? • What makes an MSP worth more when it's time to sell? • How can a small MSP make money from AI? Whether you're starting an MSP, running a two-person shop, or building toward an exit, this is the show for the MSP owner-operator. The SMB Community Podcast is part of Small Biz Thoughts and produced by MSP Radio. More resources for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com.

  1. 2d ago

    Should Your MSP Take the Fall If AI Leads to Malware? | MSP agreements

    A significant development highlighted is the recent compromise involving ConnectWise Backup, which originated from ConnectWise’s acquisition of SkyKick. The breach stemmed from the compromise of OAuth app credentials within Microsoft 365 tenants, enabling attackers to access and elevate permissions, primarily targeting MSP tenants. The full method of credential compromise has not been disclosed. However, the presence of lingering OAuth permissions is posited as an ongoing risk vector. Further details presented by Amy Babinchak specify that attackers targeted a few hundred MSP tenants, seeking to elevate Exchange permissions and control additional ConnectWise-related OAuth apps. It is emphasized that deactivating an unused app is insufficient, as historic use of SkyKick over the past decade could still leave MSPs exposed. A recommended response is a comprehensive review of OAuth permissions, referencing guidance from Guardz, which outlines multiple mitigation steps for MSPs to follow, regardless of current product usage. Other topics addressed include evolving responsibilities when artificial intelligence (AI) tools direct users to malicious destinations. MSPs were advised to maintain protective controls and thorough documentation, as operational accountability typically resides with the MSP, especially when security layers like EDR effectively prevent incidents. Additional coverage centers on Anthropic’s creation of a public benefit corporation, MapQuest’s feature updates including surveillance detection, and Pax8’s announcement of AI agent solutions that MSPs may resell to clients. The practical implications for MSPs and IT decision-makers center on maintaining vigilance over third-party integrations and long-lived permissions, enforcing clear lines of communication with clients and vendors, and proactively documenting risk mitigation efforts. Vendor management and operational transparency, especially regarding software vendor issues or AI-related incidents, are underscored as essential practices for reducing harm and preserving client trust. Whose Responsibility Is It When AI Sends a User to a Malware Site?Show Rundown & Banter: AI security, the ConnectWise incident, MapQuest, Anthropic, and Pax8.Something Fun: Michelangelus FontMicrosoft’s project preserving Michelangelo’s work inspired a new font for Word.https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=108856Question of the Week: Who’s Responsible When AI Directs Users to Malware?A user followed ChatGPT’s instructions to a fake verification site. EDR caught the threat. Where does the MSP’s responsibility begin and end?ConnectWise Backup IncidentAttackers exploited application credentials and excessive permissions, affecting a targeted group of MSPs.https://app.notion.com/p/Connectwise-Backup-Incident-3f98e07a4534804c9181e7c8c603dde3?pvs=21MapQuest’s ComebackMapQuest adds surveillance-camera alerts to its maps.https://app.notion.com/p/MapQuest-surveillance-notices-3e88e07a453480f38df1d2fb15eeb486?pvs=21Anthropic’s Public Benefit CorporationA new structure aims to direct company equity toward a public-benefit mission.https://app.notion.com/p/Anthropic-public-benefit-LLC-3fe8e07a453480f0834fd414d8e470f9?pvs=21Pax8’s AI Revenue OpportunityMSPs can manage AI agents, control usage, and set their own pricing.https://app.notion.com/p/PAX-8-AI-money-making-opportunity-3fe8e07a45348022b281d63cd11355df?pvs=21Tales from the Field: The Ungrateful Client?An MSP worked nights and weekends to recover from a software update failure, only to be fired by the client. About the SMB Community Podcast: Weekly business advice for small MSP owners from Amy Babinchak and James Kernan of the Small Biz Thoughts community — MSP sales, MSP pricing and agreements, hiring and leading an MSP team, MSP operations, selling your MSP, and AI for small MSPs. Produced by MSP Radio. More for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    Should Your MSP Take the Fall If AI Leads to Malware? | MSP agreements

  2. Oct 15

    Should MSP Owners Sell Their MSP Themselves or Use a Pro?

    The discussion centers on the tradeoffs and risks associated with self-managing the sale of a Managed Service Provider (MSP) business, highlighting a real case in which the absence of professional M&A, legal, and tax advisory led to contract errors, unfavorable terms, and substantial financial exposure. Both James Kernan and Amy Babinchak, drawing from direct advisory experience, argue that while selling an MSP independently is technically possible, the lack of specialist counsel introduces significant pitfalls. The synopsis emphasizes concrete instances where negotiation leverage, contract accuracy, and legal safeguards were either secured or compromised depending on professional involvement. Supporting details include a specific example involving a failed contract provision: a business sale transacted without an M&A attorney resulted in an omitted clawback clause. Subsequently, more than half of the recurring revenue was lost after the sale, and the seller remained liable for the note without protection. Remediation only became possible after legal intervention, which reduced the seller’s exposure, though such outcomes are considered rare. Both speakers recommend establishing an advisory team comprised of an experienced M&A advisor or broker, a specialized tax expert, and a dedicated M&A attorney, underscoring that operational familiarity with contracts is insufficient for high-stakes divestments. Secondary topics addressed include risk management in cyber insurance procurement and leveraging Cybersecurity Awareness Month for internal team development and customer marketing initiatives. Amy Babinchak distinguishes between basic, low-cost cyber insurance add-ons and comprehensive policies, noting the latter’s higher cost is justified by enhanced coverage, embedded compliance services, and access to consultative support. The segment also briefly references the importance of leadership mindset, noting that focusing on team strengths as a management approach can drive better organizational outcomes. For MSPs and IT leaders, the episode’s discussions reinforce the operational risks of do-it-yourself approaches in high-value transactions and regulated domains like cyber insurance. Key takeaways include prioritizing qualified external counsel for significant business events, maintaining adequate and tailored insurance coverage, and adopting intentional leadership and governance strategies. These measures serve to reduce organizational risk, safeguard asset value, and enhance decision quality in complex or regulated IT services environments. Can I Sell My Own MSP?Show Rundown & Banter: Why selling your MSP alone can be risky, the importance of cybersecurity insurance, Cybersecurity Awareness Month, leadership mindset, and more stories from the field.Question of the Week: What if My Clients Resist Change?Can I sell my own MSP? Yes, but should you? No — get professional help.Topic: Cybersecurity InsuranceUnderstand different insurance options and scenarios. James recommends working with an insurance professional to find the right coverage for you and your business.Topic: Cybersecurity Awareness MonthHighlight the importance of cybersecurity awareness and staying proactive about protecting your business and clients.Topic: Leadership MindsetInstead of asking, “What’s wrong, and how do I fix it?” ask, “What’s right, and how do I grow it?”Tales from the Field: The Importance of Using AttorneysBe careful with DIY contracts, agreements, and business deals. AI is not a substitute for legal advice. The NORCAL deal involved a seemingly favorable LOI, but handling the agreement himself led to a key detail being missed. Good agreements matter. About the SMB Community Podcast: Weekly business advice for small MSP owners from Amy Babinchak and James Kernan of the Small Biz Thoughts community — MSP sales, MSP pricing and agreements, hiring and leading an MSP team, MSP operations, selling your MSP, and AI for small MSPs. Produced by MSP Radio. More for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    Should MSP Owners Sell Their MSP Themselves or Use a Pro?

  3. Oct 8

    MSP Culture: Can You Require Employees to Use Copilot?

    The episode addresses the push for mandatory adoption of artificial intelligence (AI) tools among employees in MSP and IT service environments, citing cases where use of products like Microsoft Copilot is being enforced under threat of termination. Contributors emphasize that while AI proficiency is becoming a key factor for employability in the technology sector, mandating use through ultimatums is likely to provoke resistance and undermine change efforts. The consensus is that sustainable progress depends on providing structured training and fostering a collaborative culture rather than imposing requirements. Supporting discussion points include the importance of intentional staff development and recognizing parallels to previous technology shifts, like the migration to cloud services. Resistance to learning new tools can result in employee attrition, reinforcing the need for ongoing education and active change management. Companies are advised to educate and incentivize employees, creating an environment where continuous upskilling is the norm. Secondary topics include recent Microsoft incentive program adjustments. Panelists note reductions in partner margins for lower-tier licenses, while incentives remain for Business Premium and enterprise plans. New AI-related incentives, such as Copilot bonuses, now require a minimum of 50 users, which may prevent smaller MSPs from participating. The conversation also explores the spread of AI-generated language into everyday business communication and shares practical security incidents observed in the field. MSPs and IT leaders are advised to manage AI adoption through robust training, transparent communication, and regular review of changing vendor incentive structures. Shifts in vendor programs and rapid technological change require proactive workforce planning, risk mitigation, and careful attention to evolving operational and compliance demands. Should I force my employees to start using AI?Show Rundown & Banter: Amy is back from ChannelCon.Question of the Week: Should I force employees to use AI? Discuss technology laggards, employee adoption, and whether forced AI use is really the right approach.In the Economy: 29,000 jobs and 2.2% growth — what does the economy mean for MSPs?Microsoft Incentive Changes: Microsoft is reducing incentives on many cloud programs while rewarding usage growth and partner skills. What does this mean for MSP margins?Are AI Chatbots Changing the Way We Speak? “LLMisms” like “It’s worth noting,” “Here’s the thing,” and “This is the key takeaway” are showing up more in workplace communication.https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/claude-chatgpt-ai-speak-chatbot-cb804933Tales from the Field: Another Tale of Espionage — a former employee continued accessing company systems and transferring client data to a new employer. About the SMB Community Podcast: Weekly business advice for small MSP owners from Amy Babinchak and James Kernan of the Small Biz Thoughts community — MSP sales, MSP pricing and agreements, hiring and leading an MSP team, MSP operations, selling your MSP, and AI for small MSPs. Produced by MSP Radio. More for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    MSP Culture: Can You Require Employees to Use Copilot?

  4. Oct 1

    MSP Processes: How AI Is Changing Patch Management

    The episode scrutinized the operational impact of accelerated patch velocity, largely attributed to AI-driven vulnerability discovery. Microsoft’s patch release cadence has intensified, as evidenced by the increase from 200 patches in June to 900 patches in September. Despite this uptick, panelists noted that patch delivery is now consolidated—vulnerabilities are addressed through a single cumulative update per cycle rather than via hundreds of discrete patches. This structural change reduces exposure to widespread outages, but risk must still be evaluated based on deployment timing and organizational context. Delaying patch deployment by at least one week post-release was advocated as a harm-reduction strategy. The rationale is that “dead body Wednesday”—the day following Patch Tuesday—commonly reveals unforeseen operational disruptions. Forum monitoring and the identification of industry-specific tolerances are recommended, supported by the observation that most incidents arise from edge cases or latent infrastructure flaws exposed by reboot cycles rather than patch malfunction itself. The role of Microsoft in acknowledging and remediating issues was discussed, with a particular emphasis on the lag between incident emergence and vendor acknowledgment. A secondary focus addressed the expanded risk surface beyond Windows, emphasizing IoT, networking, and edge devices. The lack of standardized, automated patching for non-Windows assets, such as security cameras, printers, and other IoT endpoints, multiplies the challenge for practitioners. Neither firmware nor update methodologies are unified, necessitating manual intervention and physical connectivity in many cases. The episode further touched on IT governance concerns, particularly around excessive permissioning, data management, and the tendency for access requests to escalate rather than contract over time, exacerbating organizational risk. For MSPs and IT service providers, key implications center on risk-managed operations. Patch deployment processes should be routinely assessed and customized based on client risk profiles, infrastructure complexity, and historic pain points. Increased vulnerability discovery via AI necessitates enhanced organizational discipline around both patch timing and post-patch monitoring. Security governance—especially regarding permissions scopes, data segmentation, and the extensibility of third-party integrations—was underscored as an operational priority. Comprehensive asset management and organizational awareness of fragmented patch ecosystems, especially in IoT and edge contexts, will be essential for maintaining resilience and accountability. What should I do differently now that AI is throwing us so many patches?Show Rundown & Banter: Amy is joined by longtime Microsoft MVP Susan Bradley, the “Patchaholic,” to discuss Microsoft updates, patching, and what IT professionals need to watch.Question of the Week: How should MSPs change their patching strategy in the age of AI? Microsoft’s updated guidance calls for short quality-update deferrals and faster installation deadlines.https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/windows-autopatch/references/policies-quality-updatesTales from the Field: When reimaged machines started failing — Susan shares a story involving Dell machines and unexpected failures. Links mentioned in this episode: Question of the Week- Microsoft: Windows Autopatch quality update policies (deferral and deadline guidance) https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/windows-autopatch/references/policies-quality-updates- Microsoft Mechanics: Deploy Windows updates to counter AI-discovered threats https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/microsoftmechanicsblog/deploy-windows-updates-to-counter-ai-discovered-threats/4534505 Resources- AskWoody, Susan Bradley's newsletter https://www.askwoody.com/- Third Tier, Amy Babinchak's patching series https://www.thirdtier.net/?s=patch   ← swap in Amy's exact link About the SMB Community Podcast: Weekly business advice for small MSP owners from Amy Babinchak and James Kernan of the Small Biz Thoughts community — MSP sales, MSP pricing and agreements, hiring and leading an MSP team, MSP operations, selling your MSP, and AI for small MSPs. Produced by MSP Radio. More for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    MSP Processes: How AI Is Changing Patch Management

  5. Sep 24

    AI Services: Practical Ways for MSPs to Monetize AI

    Public speaking for technical professionals and the development of practical business process automation using AI were identified as areas with tangible operational impacts for MSPs. Structured preparatory practices, such as rehearsals and simulated audiences, were described as beneficial for reducing employee apprehension and improving presentation quality, according to Amy Babinchak. Applying a process-oriented approach, including content development and reference to audience-specific expertise, can support staff development, help mitigate presentation anxiety, and promote more effective communication of technical concepts. Process automation and AI monetization were explored through concrete examples. Amy Babinchak outlined several applications, including contract obligation tracking through AI agents, automated identification and drafting of overdue invoice notifications via read-only accounting system access, and AI-driven verification of job site photographs. Each was presented as a method for improving operational efficiency and reducing manual workload, with an emphasis on direct business outcomes such as time savings and risk reduction. The discussion cautioned that routine use of generative AI for basic tasks like search and email drafting does not readily produce measurable value unless integrated into broader workflow optimizations. The episode also addressed marketing tactics relevant to year-end business cycles and inventory management. James Kernan recommended executing inventory reduction campaigns, such as open-box or scratch-and-dent sales, to address stock overages. The timing of client upgrade campaigns was connected to product end-of-life events, specifically referencing Windows Server 2016 and SQL Server 2016, as opportunities to drive sales while reducing client risk associated with unsupported software. The conversation further covered managed service delivery models, identifying potential risks and tradeoffs in offshoring, automation, and outsourcing core client-facing services. For MSPs and IT leaders, the operational implications are clear: public speaking proficiency and client communication should be built intentionally, involving structured practice to reduce risk of poor delivery. AI and automation initiatives should prioritize process alignment and quantifiable outcomes, not just adoption for novelty’s sake. Inventory and lifecycle management present opportunities for improving both sales and client relationships, but require a disciplined approach to timing and messaging. Regular review of outsourced or automated functions is encouraged, with attention to maintaining a personal client interface and managing the organizational and reputational risks of dehumanized service. How can I become a better public speaker?Show Rundown & Banter: What’s new?Question of the Week: How can I become a better public speaker? Focus on preparation, simple slides, eye contact, pauses, practice, breathing, and handling mistakes.AI Interest to AI Impact: Help clients move from experimenting with AI to delivering measurable results.https://www.channele2e.com/perspective/msps-need-to-push-clients-past-ai-experimentationMarketing Tips – Year-End Campaigns: Promote open-box/year-end projects, address Microsoft end-of-support deadlines, follow up with late payers, and host casual client events.https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/end-of-support/end-of-support-2026Outsourcing Service Delivery: What should MSPs outsource — answering calls, dispatch, L1/L2 support, L3 escalation, or out-of-state projects?GTIA Acquires ASCII: What does the acquisition mean for the MSP community and channel?NinjaOne Browser Security: Discuss NinjaOne’s new browser-based security offering and what it could mean for MSPs.Tales from the Field: Timing is Everything. About the SMB Community Podcast: Weekly business advice for small MSP owners from Amy Babinchak and James Kernan of the Small Biz Thoughts community — MSP sales, MSP pricing and agreements, hiring and leading an MSP team, MSP operations, selling your MSP, and AI for small MSPs. Produced by MSP Radio. More for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    AI Services: Practical Ways for MSPs to Monetize AI

  6. Sep 17

    AI Has Changed MSP Lead Generation Forever: Now What?

    Microsoft's Copilot platform has recorded a 33% growth, growing its user base from 20 million to 30 million seats in a three-month period, according to reported company data. Increased adoption is attributed in part to Microsoft's strategy of bundling Copilot licenses with existing products. Copilot lacks custom code-generation features, instead focusing on business process optimization and employee productivity. Microsoft's switch from OpenAI to Anthropic as the underlying model for Copilot reflects a shift toward features that align more closely with user workflow support. Supporting this development, comments noted that Fortune 500 and Fortune 1000 organizations are increasing their adoption of Copilot. Analysts highlighted Microsoft’s historical pattern of entering competitive spaces from a less dominant position and gradually increasing market presence. This strategy, combined with integration into widely used platforms, has contributed to the acceleration of Copilot’s uptake. The focus of the current Copilot version remains on facilitating business tasks rather than technical automation. A secondary discussion covered marketing challenges for MSPs in a business environment shaped by the proliferation of AI tools. Peer group insights stressed that traditional digital marketing channels such as search and online advertisements are declining in effectiveness, with leaders instead reporting positive results from personalized outreach methods. Techniques identified as effective include public speaking at local business events, distributing real-time security and AI tips via email and video, and leveraging social media with authentic, direct content. Separately, a new CISA Insider Threat Guide was highlighted for its practical utility in offboarding, job change, and broader operational security processes. For MSPs and IT service providers, the reported trends emphasize the need to adjust operational approaches in both services delivered and go-to-market strategies. The rapid expansion of Copilot signals increased customer expectations for workflow-integrated AI features and raises questions of vendor dependency and differentiation. At the same time, the diminishing value of broad digital marketing highlights the risks of relying on legacy lead-generation channels. Instead, practical field examples and security case studies suggest a shift toward higher accountability, lateral risk management, and more direct forms of engagement to mitigate threats and maintain competitiveness. AI Killed Marketing- Now What?Show Rundown & Banter: What’s up? End of boating season and football season.Question of the Week: AI killed marketing! What’s actually working now?CISA Insider Threat Guide: How MSPs can help clients detect insider threats, manage employee offboarding, secure access, and build an ongoing insider threat program.https://www.cisa.gov/Get Clients Ready for Copilot: Copilot adoption is growing. Discuss readiness reports, data governance, and security guidance before rollout.AI Solves a Difficult Math Problem: OpenAI reportedly solved the Navier–Stokes problem using AI agents. Is this progress for mathematics, or could it weaken human scholarship?Tales from the Field: The case of the underquoted bids — a security investigation reveals an employee leaking quotes to a competitor About the SMB Community Podcast: Weekly business advice for small MSP owners from Amy Babinchak and James Kernan of the Small Biz Thoughts community — MSP sales, MSP pricing and agreements, hiring and leading an MSP team, MSP operations, selling your MSP, and AI for small MSPs. Produced by MSP Radio. More for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    AI Has Changed MSP Lead Generation Forever: Now What?

  7. Sep 10

    Top 10 Moves to Make Before You Sell Your MSP

    The episode centers on operational best practices and core risk factors for MSPs preparing to sell their businesses. The discussion highlights that a business must be able to function independently of its owner, with Amy emphasizing that the most important prerequisite for sale is organizational self-sufficiency. Buyers prioritize businesses that can maintain their operations, client relationships, and financial health following a change in ownership. The need for clean, auditable financials and contract organization is underscored as key requirements for reducing risk and promoting transaction confidence. Further guidance is provided regarding exit strategy planning and business positioning. Owners are advised to clarify the desired type of exit—such as complete disengagement versus remaining in the business post-sale—and to consider factors such as buyer preference and legacy concerns. Both buyer and seller risk are increased by high client concentration, undefined leadership teams, and missing or ambiguous vendor commitments. Steady, incremental growth—rather than stagnation or decline—was cited as a marker of business stability and a factor that increases attractiveness to potential acquirers. Adjacently, the conversation addresses developments relevant to technology and operational security. The discussion notes Microsoft’s release of updates to address over 400 vulnerabilities in Windows in a single month, which represents a four to ten times increase over the previous year’s counts for the same periods. The accelerating pace of vulnerability discovery and exploitation, driven in part by adversarial and defensive use of AI, is causing traditional patching regimens to become inadequate. Amy described this collapse of the patch window as a significant industry risk, with particular exposure in under-patched IoT and embedded systems. MSPs and IT decision makers are advised to update succession and sale-readiness practices, stressing the importance of organizational hygiene, data transparency, and realistic self-assessment. The acceleration of security threats and increased complexity of vendor landscapes indicate that risk management processes must evolve rapidly. Owners should prioritize eliminating operational dependencies, ensuring rigorous contract and financial management, and modernizing their approach to security and resilience to preserve value—both for ongoing business health and as preparation for potential sale or transition.What are the top 10 things I should do before I sell my business? Question of the Week: Top 10 things to do before selling your MSP — prepare the business, finances, operations, team, customers, legal documents, and due diligence.Facebook’s $17B Settlement: What does it mean for tech companies and accountability?https://www.azag.gov/press-release/attorney-general-mayes-announces-largest-big-tech-settlement-historyMSP Market & PSA Trends: Jay McBain’s latest market-share and growth trends.Microsoft Patching: 400+ vulnerabilities fixed in August. What does this mean for MSPs and proving value?https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-microsoft-august-2026-patch-tuesday/Marketing for MSPs: What’s actually working for lead generation?https://www.connectwise.com/resources/msp-marketing-reportAI Agent Safety: Key safety rules for using AI agents and meeting assistants.Tales from the Field: Why are you selling — burnout or retirement? Get your story straight. About the SMB Community Podcast: Weekly business advice for small MSP owners from Amy Babinchak and James Kernan of the Small Biz Thoughts community — MSP sales, MSP pricing and agreements, hiring and leading an MSP team, MSP operations, selling your MSP, and AI for small MSPs. Produced by MSP Radio. More for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    Top 10 Moves to Make Before You Sell Your MSP

  8. Sep 3

    Lead Generation: How Local MSPs Can Outshine Big Nationals

    A primary development addressed is the increasing scrutiny and demands from cyber insurance providers on MSPs and their clients. Amy highlighted a case where an insurer canceled a client policy after the MSP could not produce comprehensive reports and logs verifying device management for all endpoints, including BYOD and personal devices. This incident underscores rising expectations from insurers for documented security controls covering all systems interacting with sensitive data, and the risk of coverage denial when undisclosed devices or unmanaged endpoints are discovered following a breach. Supporting discussion featured the operational gaps many MSPs face, especially regarding the management of BYOD and personal devices. Amy and James both emphasized that insurance companies are increasingly insistent on verifiable evidence that data protection policies apply to every device with data access. Failure to comply with these mandates, or misrepresenting coverage in pre-insurance questionnaires, may not only result in claim denials but also expose the MSP to downstream liability and litigation risk. They also stressed the need for clear contractual exclusions and robust internal insurance for the MSP to mitigate risk transfer. A secondary theme centered on the competitive pressure local and regional MSPs face from consolidation through roll-ups and the expansion of national firms. Both speakers identified differentiating on local presence and community engagement, such as sponsoring local events or supporting local causes, as key strategies for smaller providers. Additional discussion covered the new NSITSP accreditation and CE program, designed to establish a credentialing framework for MSPs, analogous to existing models in law and accounting. Amy suggested that the ability to market accredited status would address client needs for objective quality comparison between providers. Takeaways for MSPs, IT service providers, and decision-makers include the importance of establishing precise, documented security controls aligned with insurance requirements, especially for unmanaged or BYOD endpoints. Clear, detailed contractual language is necessary to define service boundaries and liabilities. Maintaining up-to-date accreditations and engaging in ongoing staff education were discussed as foundational to both risk management and market differentiation. Finally, operational alignment with insurance, accreditation, and community expectations represents both a risk-reduction tool and a practical framework for navigating consolidation and regulatory scrutiny in the current environment.How do I protect my MSP from roll-ups and national firms? Question of the Week: How do I protect my MSP from competition from roll-ups and big national firms? Lean into being local, unique, and personal. NSITSP CE Program: NSITSP launches CE-accredited programs, with Bigger Brains, IT Services University, and Karl Palachuk among the first providers. What does this mean for MSPs, and who is leading education in our industry?https://nsitsp.org/education/ Cyber Insurance Controls: Insurers are demanding more than security controls—they want a complete inventory of every device touching client data, including BYOD and contractor devices. What MSPs need to know.https://www.channelpronetwork.com/2026/08/26/cyber-insurance-device-requirements-what-msps-need-to-know/ Tales from the Field: The computer that turns itself off — a story from Nathan Fay. About the SMB Community Podcast: Weekly business advice for small MSP owners from Amy Babinchak and James Kernan of the Small Biz Thoughts community — MSP sales, MSP pricing and agreements, hiring and leading an MSP team, MSP operations, selling your MSP, and AI for small MSPs. Produced by MSP Radio. More for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Running a small MSP means being the CEO, the sales team, the HR department, and the escalation tech — usually in the same afternoon. The SMB Community Podcast is where MSP owners get straight answers on the business side of running an MSP. Every week, Amy Babinchak, and James Kernan — MSP owners and advisors from the Small Biz Thoughts community — take on the questions small MSP owners actually ask: How should I price? When do I hire? Should I give a proposal at the first meeting? What is my MSP worth? No vendor pitches and no theory — practical advice from people who have run, grown, and sold IT businesses. What this MSP podcast covers: • MSP sales and client growth — the MSP sales process, proposals, price objections, referrals, local marketing, and choosing a CRM • MSP pricing and agreements — MSP pricing models, single plan vs. tiers, price increases, managed service contracts, margins, and cash flow • Leading an MSP team — MSP hiring, tech compensation and commissions, accountability, culture, and EOS for small MSPs • MSP operations — processes, KPIs, documentation, your MSP stack, and the Microsoft Partner Program • Selling your MSP — MSP valuation, exit planning, private equity, and building a business that runs without you • AI for small MSPs — selling AI services, AI governance for clients, shadow IT, and what AI does to per-seat pricing Questions we answer: • How should a small MSP price its services — one plan or several? • When can an MSP owner afford the next hire, and how should you pay techs? • How do you raise prices without losing clients? • What makes an MSP worth more when it's time to sell? • How can a small MSP make money from AI? Whether you're starting an MSP, running a two-person shop, or building toward an exit, this is the show for the MSP owner-operator. The SMB Community Podcast is part of Small Biz Thoughts and produced by MSP Radio. More resources for MSP owners at smallbizthoughts.com.

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