The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill
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How can you become a game changer? Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue. In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer. We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture. What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company. Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level. For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/

  1. 1d ago

    500. What You Can Learn From The Most Successful People on Earth: Episode 500 Spectacular

    After 500 episodes, these are the twenty conversations that changed how we think about winning. To celebrate 500 episodes of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill brings together twenty of the show's most unforgettable guests, including trial lawyers, entrepreneurs, and elite performers, for a single milestone episode built around the lessons that have shaped how we think about winning. It spans courtroom strategy, business scaling, and the mental game behind sustained excellence, distilling years of insight into one episode. Here's what you'll learn: Why grit, humility, and discipline separate legends from everyone else How to make high-pressure decisions the way elite trial lawyers, founders, and performers do What it takes to build a legacy that outlasts any single win 500 episodes came down to this: the twenty conversations worth revisiting for the rest of your career. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:35) John Morgan: The Fork in the Road (00:12:08) Brian Panish: Day of the Verdict (00:22:11) Nick Rowley: Learning From Losses (00:31:40) Camille Vasquez: Staying Authentic (00:41:42) Marcus Lemonis: The 3 P's of Business (00:53:35) Kat Cole: From Hostess to CEO (01:08:58) Verne Harnish: Scaling Past Plateaus (01:20:47) Dan Martell: Buying Back Your Time (01:30:18) Kevin O'Leary: What Makes Him Invest (01:41:53) Kim Scott: Bias, Prejudice, Bullying (01:53:40) John Maxwell: Leadership Is Influence (02:02:30) Ryan Holiday: What You Can Control (02:12:02) Robert Greene: The Art of Persuasion (02:24:13) Morgan Housel: The Psychology of Money (02:31:37) Jesse Cole: Doing the Opposite (02:41:34) Andy Glaze: Running as Punishment (02:51:29) Kristen Holmes: Sustainable Performance (03:03:06) Tim Grover: Define Winning in One Word (03:14:22) Alex Hormozi: What Founders Get Wrong (03:24:24) David Goggins: Taking Souls Links & Resources: John Morgan Brian Panish Nick Rowley Camille Vasquez The Depp v. Heard defamation trial Marcus Lemonis The Profit (CNBC) Kat Cole Verne Harnish Scaling Up by Verne Harnish Dan Martell Buy Back Your Time by Dan Martell Kevin O'Leary Shark Tank Kim Scott Radical Candor by Kim Scott John Maxwell Ryan Holiday The Obstacle Is the Way by Ryan Holiday Robert Greene The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene Morgan Housel The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel Jesse Cole Andy Glaze Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong by Andy Glaze Dr. Kristen Holmes Tim Grover Relentless by Tim Grover Alex Hormozi David Goggins Can't Hurt Me by David Goggins Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 400. The Most Important Lessons After 400 Episodes 100. Game Changing Stories: 100th Episode Spectacular 66. The King of the Jungle Returns: LIVE from the EVOLVE Summit

    500. What You Can Learn From The Most Successful People on Earth: Episode 500 Spectacular

  2. 3d ago

    499. Why Knowing Your Strengths Saves You Energy and Money with David Kolbe [Encore Edition]

    What if the key to unlocking your law firm’s full potential wasn’t in the resumes you review but in understanding how your team is instinctively wired to take action? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill is joined by David Kolbe, CEO of Kolbe Corp and a thought leader in conative assessments. David shares his journey from the legal field to becoming an influential figure in helping organizations understand and harness instinctive strengths through the Kolbe assessment. The discussion dives into his insights on team dynamics, revealing the potential of both professional success and personal satisfaction by understanding one’s inherent strengths. Here’s what you’ll learn: How understanding conative strengths through the Kolbe assessment can lead to increased productivity and job satisfaction Why aligning team roles with natural inclinations reduces burnout and enhances overall firm efficiency and growth How leveraging Kolbe insights can improve both professional relationships and personal dynamics, leading to more harmonious and effective interactions This episode holds the game plan for building a cohesive, motivated, and insanely effective team - the kind of team that doesn’t just help you grow, but helps you dominate your market. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:29) Why David Kolbe left legal practice (00:04:34) The three parts of the mind (00:10:00) Why your natural strengths don't change (00:12:16) The hidden energy cost of certain tasks (00:18:18) Using Kolbe to make better hires (00:28:24) Building a team with complementary talents (00:31:37) Using Kolbe to strengthen relationships (00:41:47) When the right person is in the wrong role (00:46:20) AI and the future of human strengths ---- Links & Resources: Kolbe Myers-Briggs (MBTI) DiSCStrategic Coach and Kolbe - Mastering the People Component™ Predictive Index LSAT SAT EOS Florence Mykonos AI ChatGPT ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 406. How to Build a Law Firm Culture That Actually Works 425. Season 6 Finale: The Non-Negotiables of Elite Brands and People 355. How Two Lawyers Took on Legal Giants and Won with Spetsas Buist

    499. Why Knowing Your Strengths Saves You Energy and Money with David Kolbe [Encore Edition]

  3. Sep 17

    498. AMMA — When to Force Progress and When to Play the Long Game

    The fastest way to kill a good initiative inside your law firm is to bring in too many decision-makers and give them no deadline. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer listener questions about why good ideas stall inside law firms, when impatience is an advantage versus a liability, and what effective delegation actually requires. Here's what you'll learn: Why reducing the number of decision-makers is the fastest way to eliminate operational friction How setting deadlines and working backwards from a go-live date forces real execution When a high-upside initiative deserves patience and when low returns signal you should move on Why delegating without clear context and constraints puts the outcome outside your control If speed and patience feel like opposites inside your firm, this conversation will sharpen how and when to use both. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:00:54) Best Time to Be Alive (00:06:04) AMA Setup (00:07:02) Q1: Getting Your Firm to Move Faster (00:09:44) Fewer Decision-Makers, More Speed (00:10:18) Deadlines Force Action (00:14:00) Q2: Impatience vs. Long-Term ROI (00:17:00) High Upside Deserves More Runway (00:20:00) Q3: Delegating With Clear Context (00:23:00) ICs vs. Leaders (00:26:00) Wrap Up Links & Resources: Game Changers Summit 2026 Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 395. AMMA - Why Consensus Slows Growth and How to Fix It 456. AMMA - Why It's Your Fault If Your Team Isn't Performing 405. AMMA - What it Takes to 10x Everything

    498. AMMA — When to Force Progress and When to Play the Long Game

  4. Sep 15

    497. The Biggest Lessons Learned From a Former Fortune 500 CEO with Klaus Kleinfeld

    Time management will only take you so far. The real edge comes from managing your energy. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Klaus Kleinfeld, the only executive to have served as CEO of two Fortune 500 companies on two continents. Years ago, Klaus watched a founder he knew collapse on the floor just weeks after closing a major funding round. That moment pushed him to put his leadership philosophy into his book, Leading to Thrive: Mastering Strategies for Sustainable Success in Business and Life. Klaus walks through the energy management framework that grew out of moments like that one, and why he's convinced discipline alone is never enough to sustain a career. Here's what you'll learn: Why pushing through exhaustion leads to worse decisions, not better ones How simple breathing techniques help executives stay in control during high-stakes negotiations What separates brutal, effective criticism from criticism that just shuts a team down This episode is the reminder every overscheduled leader needs: energy, not time, is the resource that actually runs out. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:51) Why Klaus decided to write his book (00:04:53) Inner game vs. outer game explained (00:06:33) Time management vs. energy management (00:09:25) The four sources of energy (00:15:48) How to recharge and build micro-habits (00:19:27) Reframing stress through breathing (00:22:52) CEO of two Fortune 500 companies (00:28:27) Five pillars of a high-performance team (00:32:43) Leading Alcoa through a commodity crash (00:36:05) What's next for Klaus ---- Links & Resources: Leading to Thrive: Mastering Strategies for Sustainable Success in Business and Life by Klaus Kleinfeld Jeff Bezos Elon Musk Omni Biotic Life Alcoa ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 435. The 15-Minute Habit That Prevents Attorney Burnout with Leah Lagos 276. AMMA - The Myth of Work-Life Balance: What Law Firm Owners Need to Know 172. Marcus Lemonis - The Three Keys to Business: People, Process, and Product

    497. The Biggest Lessons Learned From a Former Fortune 500 CEO with Klaus Kleinfeld

  5. Sep 10

    496. AMMA — Permanent Solutions to Recurring Problems

    If your team keeps bringing you problems instead of solutions, the pattern started with you, not them. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three listener questions that all trace back to the same root problem: staying stuck in reactive mode. From training a team to solve its own problems to enforcing adherence to a process everyone claims to support, this episode unpacks why solving fires as they come keeps a firm from ever building the systems that prevent them. Here's what you'll learn: Why solving every problem for your team keeps them from solving any problem on their own How one four-word question shifts a team from asking to thinking What it actually takes to enforce adherence to a process your team already has Your team's problem-solving muscle only grows if you stop doing the lifting for them. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:05:39) Why your team hands you problems (00:06:32) The four-word question that fixes it (00:10:10) The intake leak that keeps returning (00:13:51) Firefighter ego vs. proactive leadership (00:15:44) Lay the groundwork now ---- Links & Resources: Dyson CameraJet ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 456. AMMA - Why It’s Your Fault If Your Team Isn’t Performing 423. AMMA - How to Actually Scale Your Standards 187. Dan Martell - Buy Back Your Time: Get Unstuck, Reclaim Your Freedom, and Build Your Empire

    496. AMMA — Permanent Solutions to Recurring Problems

  6. Sep 8

    495. Special Forces Lessons for Building a Self-Managing Practice with Sam Goodner

    The instinct that built your practice from scratch is the same instinct that's keeping it dependent on you. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Sam Goodner, a former officer in the Swiss Special Forces who went on to build and sell multiple technology companies, including Catapult Systems and Flash Parking. A call about his father's cancer diagnosis once pulled Sam out of his business for five weeks. He came back to find his team running things better without him, and realized he'd been the bottleneck all along. Now the author of Like Clockwork: Run Your Business with Swiss Army Precision, Sam breaks down how founders can build a practice that runs independently of them, from staging decision rights to designing a first day that sets the tone for years. Here's what you'll learn: Why the best predictor of future performance is a candidate's past, not a hypothetical answer What it takes to train your own replacement before anyone asks you to How codifying your best practices lets you step out of the day-to-day without losing quality If your firm still runs through you on every decision, this episode shows exactly where to start letting go. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:23) From Texas to Swiss Special Forces (00:06:17) Time-telling vs. clock-building (00:09:08) The call that exposed the bottleneck (00:13:53) A special forces first day (00:19:58) Cultural indoctrination day (00:22:27) Codifying your best practices (00:29:10) The topgrading interview method (00:31:18) Training your own replacement (00:42:12) Be different, not better ---- Links & Resources: Like Clockwork: Run Your Business with Swiss Army Precision by Sam Goodner Sam Goodner Built to Last by Jim Collins Good to Great by Jim Collins Atomic Habits by James Clear Topgrading by Bradford D. Smart Scaling Up by Verne Harnish ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 359. The Ultimate Guide To Retaining Top Talent 287. Dan Martell - Buy Back Your Time: Mastering the Art of Delegation 282. AMMA - Beyond Business Cards: Building Real Relationships

    495. Special Forces Lessons for Building a Self-Managing Practice with Sam Goodner

  7. Sep 3

    494. AMMA — Navigating the Lows of Leadership

    What if not wanting to be a leader is exactly what makes you a good one? In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three questions law firm owners keep sending in: why good employees walk out the door even after a raise, whether leadership can really be taught, and what to do when you catch yourself repeating the exact behavior you swore you'd never repeat. It's a candid conversation about what it actually takes to lead people, even when leading was never the plan. Here's what you'll learn: Why turnover in your firm rarely comes down to one cause How to lead your team when management never came naturally What it takes to stop repeating the leadership habits you swore you'd avoid The best leaders never stop asking whether they could be better. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:21) Why We Go To Bed At 8:30 (00:04:47) Why Discipline Feels Like Freedom (00:08:09) Diagnosing Sudden Employee Turnover (00:11:42) Exit And Stay Interviews Explained (00:15:12) Can Leadership Really Be Learned? (00:18:31) Why Leading Yourself Comes First (00:19:54) When You Become The Boss You Hated (00:22:44) The Power Of Asking What's The Argument ---- Links & Resources: Discipline Equals Freedom: Field Manual by Jocko Willink Shark Tank ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O'Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 460. AMMA - Why Your Top Talent is Secretly Quitting You 419. AMMA - The Harsh Truth About Leadership Nobody Wants to Hear 279. AMMA - Building Trust Through Authentic Leadership

    494. AMMA — Navigating the Lows of Leadership

  8. Sep 1

    493. Why Relationships Matter More Than Anything Else with Eddy Arriola

    Eddy Arriola has built and sold multiple companies, and by his own account, he did it without ever being the smartest person in the room. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Eddy Arriola, founder of Apollo Bank and author of It's All About Relationships, to talk about the real driver behind his companies' success: the people around him. Eddy walks through the six categories of relationships every leader has to manage, why pausing before you react can save a partnership, and how trust is what actually holds a growing business together, more than authority ever will. It's a grounded, practical look at how the best leaders build the kind of teams and networks that carry them through hard times. Here's what you'll learn: Why relationships, not strategy or capital, are what actually scale a business How to build trust with your team instead of just demanding compliance Why pausing before reacting can save your most important partnerships Your business will only grow as fast as the relationships holding it together, so start building the right ones today. (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:39) Growing up in an immigrant family (00:04:16) Starting Inktel in 1997 (00:10:38) A mentor who opened doors (00:12:49) Earning credibility in banking (00:15:46) Why he wrote the book (00:18:16) The six key relationships (00:23:43) The hardest relationship to build (00:27:21) The CARPET framework (00:30:16) The power of the pause (00:32:48) Trust over authority (00:33:49) Relationship with yourself (00:37:22) The Mr. Cooper story (00:40:38) The biggest lesson he's learned ---- Links & Resources: It's All About Relationships: Mastering the Art of Relational Leadership by Eddy Arriola Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 394. How to Grow Without Losing Culture (Or Your Sanity) with Varghese Summersett 282. AMMA - Beyond Business Cards: Building Real Relationships 47. Jessica Mogill - A Transformational Partnership: How Opposites Attract

    493. Why Relationships Matter More Than Anything Else with Eddy Arriola
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How can you become a game changer? Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue. In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer. We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture. What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company. Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level. For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/

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