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  1. Not All Trump Voters Love Him but They Regard the Other Side as Out of Touch with Them: A Conversation with Jason Mangone

    6D AGO

    Not All Trump Voters Love Him but They Regard the Other Side as Out of Touch with Them: A Conversation with Jason Mangone

    This is Zooming In, and I’m Tom Shull, survey research director of the Institute for the Study of Modern Authoritarianism, the parent organization of The UnPopulist. American politics has always featured verbal jabs—often sharp and below the belt. But many of us can personally recall a time when American political discourse wasn’t so toxic, and when citizens and politicians who didn’t retain a modicum of civility and good humor in their politics risked a backlash. In fact, most Americans valued a degree of national unity, especially in times of crisis or tragedy. On September 11, 2001, after the Twin Towers fell, scores of Democratic and Republican senators and members of Congress gathered in front of the Capitol Building not to exchange Team Red and Team Blue recriminations about “national security disasters” or “immigration fiascos.” Rather, said the speaker of the House, they came together to “stand united” before the country. Spontaneously, they sang “God Bless America.” What if the 9/11 attacks happened now? You can just imagine the tweets. Is it possible to re-establish a culture of political civility in America? And if so, how would we go about it? For Jason Mangone, today’s guest on Zooming In, the answer might lie in the maxim, “First seek to understand, and then to be understood”—or what might be termed “empathic listening.” Mangone is the executive director of the nonprofit organization More In Common, which has undertaken over the past eight years a sustained and sophisticated effort to understand Americans as they understand themselves, and then, with a degree of care and respect, to explain them to each other. It has done so through ambitious survey research, online panel discussions, focus groups, message testing, and other social science outreach, issuing more than 50 research reports in the process. More In Common is part of a multi-national effort to produce similar insights in a variety of countries, but today, I discuss with Jason some of More In Common’s key survey findings in the United States, beginning with their recent publication Beyond MAGA: A Profile of the Trump Coalition. Thanks for checking out The UnPopulist! Subscribe to support our project. © The UnPopulist, 2026 Follow us on Bluesky, Threads, YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, and X. We welcome your reactions and replies. Please adhere to our comments policy. Get full access to The UnPopulist at www.theunpopulist.net/subscribe

    1h 9m
  2. FEB 5

    Will the Trump Administration's MAGA-Driven Foreign Policy Be America's Downfall? A Conversation with Anne Applebaum

    The first year of Donald J. Trump’s second term as the president of the United States has been not only tumultuous for America but also the rest of the world. Just as at home, he has disregarded existing international institutions and standing alliances to chart a very different foreign policy course. Trump has threatened long-standing European with steep tariffs and military action—and traditional adversaries such as Russia with relative warmth and friendliness. Are there any broader theories guiding Trump’s actions? What are the aims of his MAGA advisors? And what does the Trump presidency portend for America’s standing as the champion of the liberal international order? If that order permanently collapses, what will replace it and how would that affect American interests? The UnPopulist’s editor-in-chief, Shikha Dalmia, discusses with Pulitzer Prize winning author Anne Applebaum, a historian. Anne, who writes for The Atlantic, has penned the most incisive —and prescient—analysis about the emerging alliance of global authoritarians, Russian disinformation campaign, the Ukrainian war and more. We hope you enjoy. *** Thanks for checking out The UnPopulist! Subscribe to support our project. Follow us on Bluesky, Threads, YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, and X. © The UnPopulist, 2026 Get full access to The UnPopulist at www.theunpopulist.net/subscribe

    45 min
  3. JAN 26

    Does America Need a Deeper State to Save It? A Conversation with Tyler Cowen and Francis Fukuyama

    Today, we have Editor-in-Chief Shikha Dalmia in conversation with two of the foremost thinkers of our time, Frank Fukuyama, an American political theorist and public intellectual best known for The End of History and the Last Man who is now a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Freeman Spogli Institute, where his work focuses on political order, governance, and democratic backsliding. And Tyler Cowen, an economist, author, and public intellectual who has written books on innovation, talent and cultural change. A professor at George Mason University and director of the Mercatus Center, he writes the highly influential blog Marginal Revolution and hosts the long-running podcast Conversations with Tyler. One reason for the populist revolt in America is the notion of the “deep state”—that an unaccountable bureaucracy is secretly ruling the country. Frank and Tyler come from very different intellectual traditions. Frank, a centrist, is a student of Max Weber and Tyler is a limited government libertarian. Yet they have both argued that liberal states in complex modern societies need a functional bureaucracy— aka state capacity—to deliver public goods and solve collective action problems. But they also have a ton of disagreements, especially on just how broken American governance is—and they duke it out in a spirited discussion. We hope you enjoy. *** Thanks for checking out The UnPopulist! Subscribe to support our project. Follow us on Bluesky, Threads, YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, and X. © The UnPopulist, 2026 Get full access to The UnPopulist at www.theunpopulist.net/subscribe

    1h 1m
  4. JAN 9

    ICE Is Only Getting Started, the Worst Is Yet to Come: A Conversation with David J. Bier

    Immigration enforcement is the dominant focus of Donald Trump’s second term. He promised to get tough, and he has. Many who voted for him because this issue was important to them believed he would mainly crack down on criminal aliens. On today’s episode, host Shikha Dalmia and guest David Bier of the Cato Institute dismantle that illusion. They discuss how in his second term, Trump has launched an all-out assault on all immigrants: Illegal and legal. Undocumented and documented. Criminals and law-abiding ones. Moreover, Trump is going about immigration enforcement in an unimaginably cruel and indiscriminate way. He is engaging in mass arrests without due process, sweeping in citizens as well as immigrants. They point out how things are only going to get worse going forward as an agency that has no respect for life and a vast contempt for the rule law has been granted expanded funding by Congress. This episode was recorded just before Christmas. As if to prove their point, this week an ICE agent killed Renee Good, a peaceful, natural born American citizen, in Minneapolis. Good was a 37-year-old mother of three and, according to her family, a devout Christian with not an unkind bone in her body. She was driving home after dropping her toddle, when she encountered an ICE raid in progress. She was shot at point blank range as she tried to get away. Mass deportation cannot happen without mass collateral damage. Good’s death was not a freak accident. It was the foreseeable outcome of a system that treats visibility as provocation and accountability as an obstacle. This episode of Zooming In is about immigration policy, yes. But it’s also about the deeper logic of unchecked state power. As immigrants are targeted and lose their rights, Americans will not be spared. Freedom is not divisible. A transcript of today’s podcast appears below. It has been edited for flow and clarity. *** Thanks for checking out The UnPopulist! Subscribe to support our project. Follow us on Bluesky, Threads, YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, and X. © The UnPopulist, 2025 Get full access to The UnPopulist at www.theunpopulist.net/subscribe

    59 min

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