Off the Fence with Karen Covy: Mastering Decision Making, Divorce & More

Karen Covy
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When your future is on the line, making the right decision can feel impossible—especially when emotions are high, the stakes are huge, and the pressure is real. Karen Covy, a nationally recognized divorce coach, lawyer, mediator, and decision strategist with over 30 years of experience, Karen helps high-achieving professionals navigate life's toughest crossroads with clarity and confidence.  Each week on the top-ranking Off the Fence podcast, Karen sits down with thought leaders, industry experts, and people who’ve been through it all to unpack what it really takes to make smart, strategic decisions - whether you're facing a divorce, navigating complicated relationship dynamics, or reinventing your life. Ranked among the top 10% of 4.5 million global podcasts, the Off the Fence podcast offers real talk, practical insights, and powerful strategies for navigating divorce, career pivots, relationship challenges, and midlife transformation with clarity and purpose. If you're standing at a crossroads and wondering what’s next, this podcast will help you get off the fence—and into action. 👉 Get show notes and resources at https://karencovy.com/podcast

  1. Aug 12

    How to Protect Yourself in a Gray Divorce

    Starting over after 50 comes with its own kind of pain … but that’s just one of the things that makes gray divorce different. The legal, financial, and emotional implications that getting a divorce later in life bring can make the difference between enjoying your “golden years,” and trying to play “catch up” at a time in life when you thought you’d be able to relax. In this special solo podcast episode, you’ll discover everything from how to decide if a gray divorce is for you to the legal processes that will help you through it less expensively (or not!). You’ll also learn about the financial realities and relationship concerns with your adult kids that nobody warns you about, and the critical health care considerations you need to understand before finalizing your divorce. But this episode isn't just about logistics. It's about who you become on the other side, how your friendships shift, whether the stigma is as real as it feels, and why some people wait decades to leave when they didn't have to. If you're standing at the edge of a gray divorce, or wondering how anyone survives the practical side of it, this podcast episode is for you. Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube. You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.

  2. Aug 5

    Why Good People Cheat: The Truth About Infidelity

    Can a marriage survive infidelity, or does trust, once broken, stay broken for good? In this podcast episode, Brannon and Tyler Patrick, brothers and licensed therapists with decades of combined experience helping couples heal from betrayal and addiction, dive deeply into the world of affairs, betrayal, and broken trust.  Known as “The Therapy Brothers,” Brannon and Tyler challenge the way most people think about betrayal, explaining that secrecy, deception, and unspoken expectations are generally at play in a relationship long before any physical line is crossed. The brothers trace how old coping patterns, unaddressed loneliness, and simple neglect can all lead a relationship toward dangerous territory, sometimes without either partner realizing it's happening. They also point out a specific shift in how couples communicate that can either pull them closer together or push them further apart. Most importantly, Brannon and Tyler explain what it really takes to rebuild trust after an affair, and why healing isn't defined only by whether a couple succeeds in saving their marriage or not.  Whether a relationship survives infidelity or ends after it, the brothers offer practical insights into recovering from betrayal, recognizing genuine change, and creating healthier relationships built on honesty, courage, and integrity. If you've ever wondered what separates the couples who make it through from those who don't, this conversation gets right to the heart of it. About Brannon & Tyler Brannon Patrick, LCSW, and Tyler Patrick, LMFT, are brothers and licensed therapists who specialize in helping individuals and couples recover from infidelity, addiction, and broken trust. With more than 20 years of experience each in addiction and trauma treatment, they combine clinical expertise with practical, straightforward guidance. Together, they host The Therapy Brothers, a weekly call-in show with over 500 episodes, where they help people work through betrayal, shame, trauma, and addiction in real time. Their approach focuses on healing the underlying trauma and shame that fuel relationship struggles, helping couples rebuild trust through honesty, accountability, empathy, and resilience. Connect with Brannon & Tyler You can connect with Brannon & Tyler on Facebook at The Therapy Brothers. You can follow Brannon & Tyler on YouTube at @therapy.brothers, on Instagram at therapy.brothers, and on their podcast at The Therapy Brothers. To learn more about their upcoming events, visit their website for men's retreats at Rising Son and women's retreats at Radiant Dawn. Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube. You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.

  3. Jul 29

    You Don't Need New Clothes. You Need a Personal Style

    Your wardrobe holds your entire past life … which is exactly why getting dressed can feel so stressful after a big life change. When your body shifts, your lifestyle changes, or your identity evolves (especially after divorce!) your personal style needs to evolve with you. Otherwise, the closet that used to “work” can start working against you. Personal stylist and wardrobe detox expert, Suzanne Bernie, works with clients going through major life shifts (think divorce, career changes, or major illness) who open their closets and realize that nothing in there matches who they are now. Suzanne explains why so many of us get stuck wearing the same three outfits on repeat, even when we’re surrounded by clothes we once loved. Suzanne reveals why so many closets are full of clothes that never get worn, why black isn't always the safest choice, and how small shifts in color, fit, and styling can completely transform the way you look and feel. Suzanne breaks down what actually makes an outfit look expensive and put-together versus dated, and why the priciest labels aren't usually the answer. If you've ever stood in front of a full closet feeling like you had nothing to wear, or if you want your clothes to match the person you are now, hit play, share this with a friend who’s in transition, and subscribe so you don’t miss what’s next. If you enjoyed it, leave a review and tell me: what’s the one item in your closet you’re ready to retire? About Suzanne Suzanne is a Personal Stylist who works with clients from all business sectors, both internationally and within the UK. She curates perfect outfits tailored to her clients' bodies and styles, offering both personalized shopping experiences and in-home wardrobe detoxes. Passionate about using style to transform lives, Suzanne hosts specialized style workshops for divorcees, as well as workshops for women navigating cancer treatment to help rebuild confidence, boost self-esteem, and inject some well-deserved fun into their journeys. She proudly styles men, women, and members of the LGBTQ+ community of all ages, finding her biggest joy in making people feel absolutely fabulous by dressing them in the perfect colors, shapes, designs, and fabrics. Connect with Suzanne You can connect with Suzanne on Facebook at Suze Bernie Stylist and follow her on Instagram at @suzeberniestylist. You can also visit her website at suzannebernie.com.  Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube. You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.

  4. Jul 22

    How to Navigate Debt, Divorce, and Bankruptcy

    Feeling buried in debt can make you believe you have no way out … and that’s exactly when you make the biggest financial mistakes. In this podcast episode, attorney William (Bill) Mitchell draws on decades of experience helping both consumers and debt relief companies to explain why so many people end up overwhelmed by debt, and why the right solution depends on your specific financial situation.  Instead of treating debt relief as a one-size-fits-all problem, Bill breaks down the four primary options available for getting out of debt, from debt consolidation loans and credit counseling to debt settlement and bankruptcy. He also explains which option is best for which situation. Bill reveals how rising credit card interest rates, aggressive marketing, and common misconceptions can quietly trap people in a cycle that becomes harder to escape the longer they wait.  The discussion goes beyond debt relief to explore real-world financial decisions that can have lasting consequences, especially during major life transitions like divorce. From handling joint credit card debt and protecting your credit to avoiding predatory debt relief companies and choosing the smartest way to borrow money in a crisis, you'll come away with practical insights that could save you thousands of dollars—and help you make better financial decisions when the stakes are highest.  About Bill William R. (“Bill”) Mitchell is a seasoned attorney with more than two decades of experience helping individuals and businesses find financial freedom and stability. A nationally recognized expert in debt relief and settlement, Bill has guided thousands of consumers toward reducing or eliminating their debt burdens. As one of the few lawyers who has represented both major debt resolution companies and the consumers they serve, he brings a unique 360-degree understanding of the industry to his advocacy. Beyond debt relief, Bill is a trusted business attorney who advises small and mid-sized privately held companies on everything from business formation and financial transactions to contract negotiation and dispute resolution.  Connect with Bill You can follow Bill on YouTube at @LegalEdgeDebtSolutions and on Instagram at legaledgedebtsolutions. You can also purchase his book, Say Goodbye to Credit Card Debt: How to Outsmart the Banks and Avoid Their Traps on Amazon. Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube. You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.

  5. Jul 15

    How AI Can Help You Get a Better Divorce Settlement

    Most people going through divorce focus on finding a good attorney … but that might be the single biggest financial mistake you make. Jamie Lima, certified divorce financial analyst, certified financial planner, and co-founder of SecureSplit, knows that from personal experience. Watching his parents' divorce strain the family financially, then going through his own costly split in 2017, shaped everything about how he now helps people navigate the financial side of divorce so they can get a better divorce settlement. In this podcast episode, Jamie breaks down why relying solely on your attorney can cause you to leave serious money on the table, what a divorce financial team actually looks like, and how AI and specialized software are beginning to reshape divorce-related financial analysis.  Jamie also talks about SecureSplit,  a platform he designed to eliminate the expensive duplication of effort that happens when attorneys, CDFAs, and clients are all working in disconnected systems. He also pulls back the curtain on how AI is quietly reshaping divorce proceedings in ways most people aren't prepared for. From how to prompt AI tools so they actually give you useful information, to the privacy risks most people never consider, to why your ChatGPT history could end up as evidence in your own case, Jamie offers a surprisingly practical (and at times very sobering!) look at what it means to be a smart, informed advocate for yourself in a modern divorce. The tools are powerful. The mistakes are costly. And knowing exactly what you're doing is critical. About Jamie Jamie Lima launched Allegiant Divorce Solutions as a sister company to his traditional financial planning firm after navigating his parents' divorce at a young age and experiencing his own emotionally and financially draining divorce in 2017. With nearly 20 years of financial planning experience, Jamie intimately understands the immense financial challenges individuals face during a split. Realizing that the costly mistakes made in his own divorce could have been avoided with the right support, he became a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst®. Today, Jamie is dedicated to helping clients navigate the complex financial aspects of divorce to secure fair settlements with significantly less stress. Connect with Jamie You can connect with Jamie on LinkedIn at Jamie Lima and follow him on Instagram at Allegiant Divorce. To learn more about how to work with Jamie, visit his websites at Allegiant Divorce Solutions and SecureSplit. Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube. You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.

  6. Jul 8

    How to Develop Healthy Boundaries in Your Relationships

    If you've ever set a boundary that someone ignored, and then felt stuck between becoming a doormat or issuing an ultimatum, this podcast episode is for you. Licensed psychotherapist Dr. Sharon Martin joins the show to talk about healthy boundaries: what they really are, why so many people struggle with them, and why the way most of us think about boundaries is making holding our boundaries harder, not easier.  Dr. Martin unpacks why boundary problems show up differently for different people, and why the same person can swing between being a pushover and being rigid depending on the situation. She also explores the hidden ways boundary problems develop, including enmeshment, codependency, guilt, perfectionism, and past relational wounds.  Dr. Martin also reveals how healthy boundaries are less about controlling other people and more about understanding your own needs and focusing on what you can control. Through practical examples, including parenting, workplace conflicts, and high-conflict divorce situations, Dr. Martin demonstrates how small shifts in perspective can lead to greater freedom, less frustration, and healthier relationships. The result is a fresh and empowering framework that may change the way you think about boundaries altogether.  About Dr. Sharon Dr. Sharon Martin, LCSW, is a licensed psychotherapist who specializes in helping adults recover from the effects of a difficult childhood, overcome feelings of unworthiness, and learn to set boundaries. She writes extensively about codependency, perfectionism, and healthy relationships, including her popular blog, “Conquering Codependency,” for Psychology Today. Dr. Martin is also the author of four self-help books, including The CBT Workbook for Perfectionism. Connect with Dr. Sharon You can connect with Dr. Sharon on LinkedIn at Sharon Martin, LCSW and on Facebook at Sharon Martin, LCSW. You can also follow her on YouTube at @SharonMartin and on Instagram at dr_sharon_martin. To learn more about working with Dr. Sharon, visit her website at Live Well with Sharon Martin. And you can find her book, The Better Boundaries Workbook, here. It is also available at most bookstores. Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube. You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.

  7. Jul 1

    The Truth About Parental Alienation That No One Talks About

    If your child has started pulling away from you, or saying things that sound nothing like them, you may already know something is deeply wrong, even if you can't prove it yet. In this podcast episode, high-conflict divorce strategist and domestic violence advocate Lisa Johnson, explores the complicated reality of parental alienation and explains why it’s often far more subtle (and more difficult to recognize) than most people realize. She shares how seemingly small actions and unspoken messages can slowly damage a child’s relationship with a parent over time.  Rather than focusing on labels or accusations, Lisa dives into what actually matters to judges and custody evaluators: patterns of behavior, their impact on children, and the practical challenges families face when conflict spills into co-parenting. You'll discover why proving parental alienation can be so difficult, how children can become caught in the middle without fully understanding what's happening, and why some of the most damaging behaviors are often the hardest to see.  The conversation also offers thoughtful strategies for parents who want to protect and strengthen their bond with their children during and after divorce. From improving communication to encouraging critical thinking and resilience, Lisa shares practical ideas that can help parents respond more effectively when relationships become strained. If you've ever wondered how children are affected by ongoing parental conflict, or what parents can do to help, this discussion provides insights that may challenge what you think you know.  About Lisa Lisa Johnson is the co-founder of Been There Got Out, a high-conflict divorce strategist, and a certified domestic violence advocate specializing in legal abuse. She dedicates her expertise to helping individuals navigate situations where an ex uses the legal system to wear them down and deplete their resources. Alongside her partner, Chris, Lisa coaches people through high-conflict relationships, divorce, custody battles, and difficult co-parenting situations. Her ultimate goal is to help clients secure the best possible outcomes in family court while lowering conflict to protect the well-being of their children. Connect with Lisa You can connect with Lisa on LinkedIn at Been There Got Out and on Facebook at Been There Got Out. You can follow her on YouTube at @BeenThereGotOut, on X at @BeenThereGotOut, and on Instagram at been_there_got_out. To learn more about how to work with Lisa, visit her website at Been There Got Out. And you can find her latest book, When Your Ex Turns the Kids Against You, here. Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube. You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.

  8. Jun 24

    Think Using AI in Divorce Saves Money? Think Again

    If you've ever thought about using AI in your divorce to save money on legal fees, this podcast episode might drastically change the way you do it. Family law attorney Hillary Moonay, who co-chairs the Family Law Group at Obermeyer Rebman Maxwell & Hippol LLP and has spent 30 years in the trenches of Pennsylvania family law, shares the hidden risks AI poses in divorce cases, especially to clients who accidentally don’t use it well. From privacy concerns to unintended legal consequences, Hillary explains where AI can create risks that most people never see coming. For example, uploading a custody evaluation to ChatGPT could expose your children to fraud. Using an AI bot to analyze what your attorney told you can dissolve your attorney-client privilege. Having AI draft your legal documents can produce legal garbage and end up costing you MORE than if you hadn’t used it at all. Hillary breaks down the difference between using AI as a helpful organizational tool versus relying on it to make legal decisions, while highlighting the hidden details and nuances that generic AI-generated documents often miss.  If you're navigating divorce and trying to be smart about costs, this conversation offers a much clearer picture of where AI helps, where it hurts, and what questions to ask. About Hillary Hillary Moonay co-chairs Obermayer’s Family Law Group and manages the firm's Bucks County office. Her practice focuses exclusively on family law, all phases of the negotiation and litigation of domestic relations cases, including divorce, child custody, child support, alimony/spousal support, equitable distribution, prenuptial and postnuptial agreements, mediation, arbitration, and related issues. Moonay is the Past Chair of the PBA’s Family Law Section and serves on the Board of Managers for the AAML’s Pennsylvania Chapter. She also serves on the Domestic Relations Law Advisory Committee of the Joint State Government Commission, the bipartisan research agency of the Pennsylvania General Assembly. Connect with Hillary You can connect with Hillary through her LinkedIn page or through Obermayer's website at www.obermayer.com. Karen Covy is a Divorce Coach and Consultant, Lawyer, Author, and Speaker who is dedicated to helping people make the best decisions possible for themselves, their families, and their future - especially in stressful times. You can check out Karen's videos on YouTube. You can connect with Karen on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and on her own website at karencovy.com.

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When your future is on the line, making the right decision can feel impossible—especially when emotions are high, the stakes are huge, and the pressure is real. Karen Covy, a nationally recognized divorce coach, lawyer, mediator, and decision strategist with over 30 years of experience, Karen helps high-achieving professionals navigate life's toughest crossroads with clarity and confidence.  Each week on the top-ranking Off the Fence podcast, Karen sits down with thought leaders, industry experts, and people who’ve been through it all to unpack what it really takes to make smart, strategic decisions - whether you're facing a divorce, navigating complicated relationship dynamics, or reinventing your life. Ranked among the top 10% of 4.5 million global podcasts, the Off the Fence podcast offers real talk, practical insights, and powerful strategies for navigating divorce, career pivots, relationship challenges, and midlife transformation with clarity and purpose. If you're standing at a crossroads and wondering what’s next, this podcast will help you get off the fence—and into action. 👉 Get show notes and resources at https://karencovy.com/podcast

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