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Communities thrive through caring leaders, residents, and dreamers. AuthentiCity FM brings local government stories to life, inviting all who want to make a difference. Discover honest views, fresh insights, and candid talks that inspire change. Whether you're a city manager, advocate, or curious, AuthentiCity FM reveals the ideas shaping our communities. Join us in a movement where authentic voices and bold ideas build tomorrow's cities.

  1. Aug 11

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 45: The Power to Convene with Bob O’Neill

    Coherence was the note the summer kept building toward, the thread that holds when everything else is pulling apart. This is the conversation about what that thread is actually for. We close the season with Bob O'Neill, former executive director of ICMA and one of the most respected thinkers this profession has produced, for an hour that keeps returning to a single idea, that the power that matters most in local government is the power to convene. Bob makes the case that local government is the last fully functioning level of government we have, which means the work of rebuilding civic life is going to bubble up from communities rather than arrive from anywhere else. That puts the manager in an unfamiliar seat. Writing a check used to solve most problems, and it rarely does anymore. What the moment asks for instead is someone who can bring a room together, hold a hard conversation inside a set of shared values, and keep it grounded when the forces nobody controls start to pull. Along the way we get into the traits that carry a leader through disruptive change, from anchoring an organization around mission and values to becoming what Bob calls the chief meaning officer, the person who keeps reminding everyone why the work matters at all. We talk about working across the lines on the map, the boundaries drawn long ago for taxation that no longer match how communities actually live. We talk about reverse mentorship and the handoff already underway, because the next generation is watching how we carry the work far more closely than they are reading any job description. There is a night at the White House and a conga line, because Bob tells a story as well as anyone in the business. And underneath all of it runs a steady, hard-won optimism, the belief that this profession has met moments like this before and found its way back toward the middle. Chapters 00:00 Closing the summer and what coherence is for 01:40 Welcoming Bob O'Neill 07:35 The last fully functioning level of government 09:19 When facts get treated as partisan 18:03 We have been through disruptive change before 20:38 The chief meaning officer 27:22 The social network that keeps you steady 35:50 The biggest power is the power to convene 41:15 The four traits that matter most 45:30 Putting meaning back into the work 47:59 Three reasons for optimism 53:10 Reverse mentorship and blending the generations 56:24 A night at the White House 1:03:14 ICMA, and why the network is the whole point 1:10:18 What better looks like for the profession 1:21:31 Welcoming people in and generational work 1:29:44 Closing thoughts GUEST Bob O’Neill LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-o-neill-5206a010/ HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: S9H34SYCGYLJ18VL Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

  2. Aug 4

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 44: Seize the Cs - Coherence, Clarity, and Curiosity

    Some conversations wander. This one converges. After a summer spent working through truth and trust and the discipline of holding more than one version of what's real, we follow those threads to where they lead, which is coherence, and the clarity and curiosity that keep it alive. Coherence is the thread that holds when the forces you do not control try to pull everything apart. Clarity is what it brings, the center of gravity that lets you keep moving on ground that will not sit still. Curiosity is what keeps both sharp, because the moment we decide we have all the answers is the moment we stop asking the questions. None of this stays abstract for long. It lives in the hard conversation a supervisor keeps postponing, in respect offered freely and the harder truth that respect is not infinite, in what the 140-character world has quietly trained out of us. And it lives in the small acts of presence that cut through the noise. Ten days without devices. A cooler of ice cream carried through a public works garage after the storm. The conversations that only arrive when you finally slow down and sit with someone. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 06:16 The road into coherence, and where Phil planted the flag 11:11 Coherence as the thread, and a community becoming capital C Community 13:39 Clarity, the pogo ball, and the center of gravity 18:23 Living it, or seeing it only in hindsight 21:39 Curiosity as the skill you sharpen 31:28 Curiosity, humility, and the joy that keeps you going 34:39 Getting selective about the noise 38:51 Good faith, bad faith, and the lost guideposts 41:16 Respect given, and whether it's infinite 49:10 Analog by choice, and ten days without devices 59:15 The recipient of coherence, and a look ahead HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: BHRUQAMPUEGCKSLG Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

  3. Jul 28

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 43: Trust is the Whole Job with Booker Hodges

    Some leaders spend an entire career learning to stay out of the way. This conversation is with one who chose the opposite. Booker Hodges, police chief in Bloomington, joins us for an hour that circles back again and again to the thing holding all of it together, which is trust, and how little of the job works without it. We start where he started, with the mentors who shaped him and a coffee-stained Dartmouth degree that taught him something about wearing accomplishment lightly. From there we get into the values underneath the department. He built the whole thing on a single word, respect, and he means it as something every person is owed rather than something they have to win. It shows up in how his officers talk to the community, in who makes it through hiring, and in why he interviews everyone who meets the bar instead of trusting a test to sort them. The middle of the conversation turns to the pressures reshaping the work. We talk about hiring for character and training for competence, about building an organization around the generation that will soon be most of it, and about why a century-old civil service model keeps producing good test takers instead of good officers. We get into the technology arriving faster than the guardrails, the privacy we surrender with a single unread click, and the harder question of who is actually overseeing any of it. Near the end, he names the threat he thinks too few people are willing to discuss out loud, and what political violence does to the quality of the people willing to serve. And he brings it home to the one relationship a city cannot afford to get wrong. Trust between a manager and a chief is the whole job, and everything good a community gets from its government tends to grow from there. 00:00 Introduction 02:19 The profession chose me 04:12 Mentors and the coffee-stained Dartmouth degree 07:49 Bringing a new generation into the work 11:28 Beards, tattoos, and a changed profession 13:27 The one value that runs the department 16:38 Why young people choose the badge 18:41 Building the organization around the next generation 22:43 Technology, privacy, and who oversees it 26:15 Surveillance and the data we give away 31:15 Proactive or reactive, and why staffing decides it 35:16 Hiring for character, training for competence 38:50 Why he doesn't trust civil service 42:46 Life outside the badge and being hood famous 44:56 Telling the story before Hollywood does 55:36 Clear expectations and backing your people 57:34 The threat nobody's naming, political violence 1:02:00 The question Booker has for city managers 1:12:21 The one relationship a city can't get wrong 1:14:05 Trust is the whole job GUEST Booker Hodgers, Police Chief, Bloomington, Minnesota YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BPD_MN Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BloomingtonPD.MN HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: TFW8CPPXLXTQMLTY Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

  4. Jul 21

    AuthentiCityFM, Episode 42: Leap or Be Left Behind with Jerry Driessen and Brent Messer

    This week we welcome Brent Messer, who spent eight years as chief information officer for the city of Chattanooga before moving to Info-Tech Research Group, and we welcome back Jerry Driessen, our first returning guest, whose career runs through some of the largest technology operations in local government. Together we spend an hour asking what the role of technology in a community actually is now that AI has arrived, and what it asks of the people who lead. Much of the conversation circles the person in the room whose job everyone assumes they understand. The old picture of the technologist keeping the lights on and answering the call when the printer breaks has very little to do with what the work has become. We talk about the vernacular that separates a partner from a vendor, about the seat where strategy actually gets decided, and about why the first call regarding the future so rarely reaches the person who will have to make that future work. From there we get into failure, and the strange comfort of a system that performs poorly without ever quite breaking. We look at why the public sector learned to move slowly, what shifts when a community starts thinking more like a startup, and where the partnerships hiding in plain sight actually live. There is a running argument about whether to buy technology or build it, and a metaphor about a tiger that nobody in the room can shake. Underneath all of it sits a question about trust and whether it was ever as solid as we remember. We work through public safety as a living laboratory, from the calls we answer to the systems we have never thought to question, and we sit with how expansive the change ahead might be. What it asks of us is a willingness to let go of how things have always been done, at a moment that may not come around again. CHAPTERS 00:00 Introductions 02:15 Brent's thirty years in and around public sector tech 07:10 What to look for in the next technology leader 09:50 The printer call, the first call, and partners not clients 13:22 Buy before build becomes build before buy 16:18 Risk aversion and the case for failure 22:22 The vanilla ERP problem 25:20 What keeps a CIO up at night, and advice for small communities 31:01 Staying ahead, and being sold a bill of goods 36:36 Thinking like a startup and the fake structures we built 41:47 Data governance without the fear 47:47 Public safety as a living lab 57:00 Skepticism, broken trust, and why trust keeps cycling 1:01:09 When transparency gets weaponized 1:03:54 Collisions and who's doing something worth watching 1:09:06 Talking to the people who hold the purse 1:13:02 Storytelling and leaping before you're left behind 1:18:50 The last word and the systems worth keeping GUESTS Brent Messer, Info-Tech Research Group Website: https://brentmesser.com/ Website: https://www.infotech.com/profiles/brent-messer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dbmesser/ Book: Value-Driven: The CIOs Handbook for Digital Transformation and Innovation in the Public Sector (https://a.co/d/0cZpLsgI) Jerry Driessen, Celonis Website: https://www.celonis.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerry-driessen-6997222/ HOSTS Phil Kiraly, Village Manager, Glencoe, Illinois LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philkiraly/ Mike Sable, City Manager, Maplewood, Minnesota LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-sable-b7994a14/ Corri Spiegel, President & CEO, Arete Strategic Website: www.aretestrategic.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/corrispiegel/ Book: ordinary: Harnessing the Power of Or in Everyday Moments (https://a.co/d/0cGQsoZV) Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: 9KW4BMZQ1AWJ9P6F Follow AuthentiCity FM for more conversations with the people doing the work of local government: https://www.linkedin.com/company/authenticityfm

  5. Jul 14

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 41: The Evolution of Trust

    Trust keeps moving. Across the last several generations, it lived first with the people we knew, then with the institutions we built, and now it is settling somewhere new again. In this episode, the three of us are back around the table together to follow that movement and ask what it means for the people who serve communities every day. We start with the numbers. The institutions Americans once leaned on now sit near the bottom of the confidence rankings, and local government has watched its own standing slide from the high marks it held for decades. That is where the conversation begins. We look at how the information environment fractured from a handful of trusted voices into millions, how credentials and ratings and the letters behind a name carry less weight than they once did, and why transparency so often creates visibility when what we were hoping for was trust. From there we get practical. We work through the technology that now sits between local government and the public, from license plate readers to facial recognition to the apps parents use to track their teenagers. Each one raises the same quiet question about the line between serving people and watching them. We talk about the pull to use data to prove a point rather than to do the work better, and what it costs a community when we try to build trust the way we did in 1996 and expect it to land in 2026. We close on the part that holds through all of it. Trust has become personal, earned in the ordinary work of showing up and following through. The question we leave with you is a working one. What are we actually doing to help people trust us, and what would it take to become the institution our neighbors count on when they need it most? 00:00 — Introduction: What Trust Means Today 03:22 — The State of Institutional Trust 08:12 — Media, Information, and Credibility 14:50 — From Institutions to Networks 18:06 — AI, Public Information, and Old Models 24:44 — Credentials and the Cost of Trust 42:16 — Trust, Transparency, and Progress 48:30 — Public Safety Technology and Surveillance 58:08 — Life 360, Leadership, and Employee Trust Music licensed through Soundstripe. Code: RZZD75QLQFTYF90N

  6. Jul 7

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 40: Time, Horizons, and a Midlife Crisis

    We are calling this one our midlife crisis episode, and not just because we hit episode forty. Phil is off recharging with his family, so it is just the two of us wrestling with something we have circled for a long time, the role that time itself plays in how we lead. We start with a simple distinction that changes how you see everything else, the difference between an event and a pattern. A pothole, a council comment, an inbox, these are events, and most of them do not deserve the urgency we give them. The harder work lives further out, in the structural horizon of one to seven years, and further still, in the civilizational shifts most organizations never think to name. We use a growing hospital, a fleet of self driving cars, and a piece of rope stretched across a road to ask whether our tools for seeing the future are still built for the world we are actually living in. We talk about the quiet risk of leading competently in the wrong direction, what our interns need from us that is different from what we needed twenty years ago, and why the institutions we trust most are sometimes the last to notice they have become the dinosaur. We get into workforce loyalty, the strategic plan nobody wants to own, the idea of the manager as chief meaning officer, and a line from Corri's writing that captures the whole thing, the noise does not disappear, but you stop being governed by it. By the end we land somewhere honest about what this summer's work on discernment is really trying to build, the capacity to notice what is coming before it becomes an event we are forced to react to. Phil, we missed you. Come back soon. 00:00 Midlife Crisis and Leadership Reflection 03:02 Understanding Temporal Literacy 05:35 Events vs. Patterns in Leadership 08:39 Navigating Technology and Time Horizons 11:42 The Impact of Institutional Growth 14:32 Curiosity and Technological Adaptation 17:17 The Role of GIS in Local Government 20:12 Innovating with AI in Local Government 23:06 The Future of Workforce Education 26:04 Leading in a Technological Revolution 36:31 Navigating Uncertainty in Community Action 37:47 Workforce Evolution and Future Skills 43:07 The Role of Technology in Government 47:50 Rethinking Governance and Strategic Planning 55:20 Engaging the Next Generation of Leaders 01:04:28 Embracing Change and Future Perspectives

  7. Jun 30

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 39: Curiosity, Urgency, and the Long View

    There is something that happens when the familiar becomes invisible. You stop seeing it clearly, stop questioning it, stop asking whether it is actually working. For local government practitioners, that invisibility is one of the quieter threats to good judgment, and it sits at the heart of this episode. The hosts use an unlikely lens to open the conversation: World Cup tourists posting unfiltered reactions to American life. Europeans genuinely delighted by Costco, the cereal aisle, the scale of everything. Watching outsiders encounter the ordinary with wonder is funny and also instructive. Curiosity requires a kind of distance from familiarity. And in the work of city management, that distance is hard to maintain when urgency keeps pulling you back to the immediate. Urgency is the episode's central antagonist. Not crisis, but urgency. The chronic pressure to respond fast, decide fast, move fast, in an environment where speed became the shorthand for competence. The hosts examine what gets lost when urgency displaces deliberation, how it distorts the relationship between facts and values, and why the skill of sitting with tension rather than resolving it too quickly may be one of the most underdeveloped capacities in the profession. The long view is where the episode lands. A storm in Springfield, Illinois brought down the last surviving witness tree from Abraham Lincoln's property, a living thing that had stood since before 1865. It becomes an unexpected frame for the question underneath everything else in this episode: what does it mean to make decisions on behalf of people who are not yet born, in communities that will still be there long after you have moved on? With the 250th anniversary of the American founding approaching, the hosts sit with the weight of that question without pretending to resolve it. Discernment, they keep returning to, is not neutrality. It is not delay. It is the practiced capacity to see clearly when everything around you is moving fast. 00:00 Introduction to Authenticity and Curiosity 00:53 Exploring Multiple Truths and Perspectives 04:14 Cultural Experiences and American Perceptions 09:13 The Importance of Fresh Perspectives 16:58 Understanding Discernment in Decision Making 27:39 Facilitation and Changing Minds 31:07 The Power of Face-to-Face Conversations 33:53 Engagement in the Workplace 37:34 Meeting People Where They Are 39:47 Cultivating Respect and Vulnerability 41:07 Untethering Urgency from Efficiency 45:39 Long-Term Decision Making and Horizons 52:30 The Legacy of Our Decisions

  8. Jun 16

    AuthentiCity FM, Episode 38: Discernment, Intuition, and Competing Truths

    #AuthentiCityFM #LocalGovernment #Leadership #PublicService #Discernment #CityManagementThis episode opens a summer series built around a question that has been sitting with the hosts for weeks. How do we develop discernment in a world where multiple truths are operating simultaneously? Rather than treating this as an abstract puzzle, the conversation grounds it in the everyday experience of local government, where people's lived experiences shape what they believe is true, and where those individual truths increasingly harden into group truths that resist data, resist logic, and resist careful analysis. A recurring thread throughout the episode is the tension between values and information. Using a framework built around liberty, equality, community, and prosperity, the hosts work through how a single issue, like a proposed data center, can pit those values against each other so completely that no amount of fact-finding will move people toward agreement. The lesson that emerges is less about winning arguments and more about learning to say I see it differently, a phrase borrowed from an unexpected umpire encounter that becomes a model for respectful disagreement. That same tension shows up in how practitioners experience their own professional identities, particularly online. The conversation turns to the difference between influence and influencer, and what it means to share honest perspective without performing for an audience or chasing engagement. Underneath all of it sits intuition, the gut feeling that something is right or wrong long before it can be explained. Both hosts share moments when trusting that instinct mattered more than any spreadsheet could, while also wrestling with how that instinct fits inside a profession built on data and process. By the end, two working definitions of discernment emerge, one broad and one shaped specifically for local government leadership, both of which will anchor the series ahead. Listeners are left with a question worth carrying into their own work and their own lives. Think of a time you were certain you were right, and later discovered you weren't. What changed? 00:00 Introduction to Discernment and Truth 02:14 Exploring Multiple Truths 05:10 Data Interpretation and Public Perception 08:03 The Role of Social Media in Shaping Truths 10:15 Community Engagement and Individual Perspectives 14:19 The Challenge of Groupthink 15:08 Data Centers and Public Values 18:02 Economic Development and Community Impact 21:40 Navigating Public Hearings and Community Values 24:05 The Importance of Perspective Taking 28:53 Evolving Systems and Structures in Governance 31:30 Communication Challenges in Modern Governance 35:09 Finding Innovative Solutions for Community Engagement 43:26 The Gift of Time and Reflection 45:23 The Power of Saying No 50:16 Influence and Responsibility in Leadership 57:41 Navigating Authenticity in Professional Spaces 01:10:48 The Role of Intuition in Decision Making

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Communities thrive through caring leaders, residents, and dreamers. AuthentiCity FM brings local government stories to life, inviting all who want to make a difference. Discover honest views, fresh insights, and candid talks that inspire change. Whether you're a city manager, advocate, or curious, AuthentiCity FM reveals the ideas shaping our communities. Join us in a movement where authentic voices and bold ideas build tomorrow's cities.

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