Surfing the Quicksand

Kathy Vines

Helping midlife women get unstuck – at home, at work, in our relationships, from ourselves – one chat at a time. Host Kathy Vines explores all sorts of ways we can get stuck and brings us together to see the possibility and strike a path forward and get UNstuck. Come for education, inspiration, entertainment, and action! Podcast Engineer: Nate Winchell Music: "Take Off," Luke Bergs & Waesto (licensed material) Presented by Clever Girl Organizing, Inc.

  1. 5d ago

    Before It Becomes a Family Feud: The Power of Elder Mediation (Ep 205)

    When aging parents need more support, family relationships can become strained quickly. Siblings disagree about caregiving, parents resist difficult conversations, emotions run high, and important decisions become harder to make.  Most people know elder law attorneys exist, but few have heard of elder mediation, a growing field designed to help families navigate conflict before it turns into litigation.  In this episode, Kathy talks with attorney, social worker, and elder mediator Sherri Elder about how mediation helps families move beyond arguments and toward productive conversations. Together they explore the difference between positions and interests, why communication often breaks down during caregiving, and how a neutral third party can help families preserve relationships while making difficult decisions.  Whether you're currently caring for aging parents or simply want to avoid future family conflict, this conversation introduces a resource that could change the way your family approaches some of life's hardest conversations.  Key Takeaways  Elder mediation is one of the best-kept secrets in caregiving.  Many families don't realize there's an option between struggling on their own and hiring litigators. Elder mediation creates a structured conversation that helps families work through conflict before relationships become permanently damaged.  Positions create conflict. Interests create solutions.  One sibling may insist Dad stay home while another believes he belongs in a nursing home. Those are positions. The shared interest, however, is usually much simpler:  "We all want Dad to be safe."  Once families identify shared interests, entirely new solutions often become possible.  Communication usually breaks down long before families ask for help.  By the time many families seek mediation, resentment has been building for years.  Sherri encourages families not to wait for crisis mode. Mediation can strengthen communication before relationships reach a breaking point.  The goal isn't winning. It's preserving relationships.  Unlike litigation, mediation isn't about defeating another family member.  It's about creating decisions everyone can live with while protecting relationships that will continue long after today's conflict has passed.  The older adult deserves a voice whenever possible.  Even when someone is experiencing cognitive decline or dementia, that doesn't automatically mean they should be excluded from important conversations.  Mediation intentionally works to include older adults whenever it's appropriate.    About Sherri Elder  Sherri Elder is an attorney, licensed social worker, and certified elder mediator based in Indianapolis. After more than 30 years practicing elder law, she expanded her work into elder mediation to help families navigate conflict surrounding aging parents, caregiving, estate issues, and family communication.  Unlike legal representation, elder mediation provides a neutral space where families can work together toward solutions while preserving important relationships.  Learn more at: https://elder-legal.com/

    Before It Becomes a Family Feud: The Power of Elder Mediation (Ep 205)
  2. Sep 24

    The Onion Years: Peeling Back the Layers of Caregiving

    What happens when life piles multiple challenges on top of each other before you've had time to process the first one?  In this deeply personal conversation, Kathy sits down with digital productivity coach and entrepreneur Deb Lee to talk about navigating a season filled with grief, caregiving, unexpected trauma, and personal growth.  Deb shares what it's like to live in a multicultural, multigenerational household while caring for her widowed mother, raising a teenager, supporting her husband's business, and running her own company. She reflects on the loss of her father, the complexities of supporting a grieving parent while managing her own grief, and the lessons she's learned about communication, control, and asking for help.  She also courageously shares, for the first time publicly, the story of surviving a violent carjacking and how that experience transformed her understanding of resilience, strength, and the kindness of strangers.  Throughout the conversation, Deb offers powerful insights about navigating uncertainty, leaning on your village, and discovering what you're truly capable of when life pushes you beyond your comfort zone.  If you've ever found yourself carrying multiple responsibilities while facing your own challenges, this episode is a reminder that strength isn't about avoiding hardship but finding your way through it.  In This Episode, We Discuss:  Living in a multicultural, multigenerational household   Supporting an aging parent through grief and transition   Navigating the loss of a parent while caregiving for another   Learning when and how to ask for help   Finding unexpected kindness from strangers   Managing a business during personal crises   Why communication matters in every relationship   Discovering resilience through life's hardest moments   Resources and Links:  Deb Lee’s Digital Productivity Consulting business: https://www.dallisonlee.com  Deb Lee’s Thrive Hive, her co-working and productivity community for solopreneurs  https://dallisonlee.com/thrive-hive-membership/   Instagram.com/dallisonlee  Facebook.com/dallisonlee  LinkedIn.com/in/dallisonlee  About Deb Lee:  Deb Lee is a digital productivity coach and founder of D. Allison Lee. She helps entrepreneurs and business leaders create systems, workflows, and habits that reduce overwhelm, prevent burnout, and make work feel more manageable and sustainable.  She is also the creator of Thrive Hive, a coworking and community space designed to help solo business owners stay focused, connected, and supported.

    The Onion Years: Peeling Back the Layers of Caregiving
  3. Sep 17

    It’s Finally My Turn: How an Empty-Nest Hobby Opened a Whole New Chapter

    What happens when the hobby you pick up as an empty nester unexpectedly becomes the foundation for an entirely new chapter of your life?  When Janis Daly’s youngest son was preparing to graduate from college, she started wondering what she would do with the time that had once been filled with parenting, work, and weekends traveling to her sons’ sporting events. A longtime history lover, Janis decided to finally explore a branch of her family tree she knew little about.   That curiosity led her to an ancestor, William Shannon Peirce, a Philadelphia lawyer, judge, abolitionist, and founder of the Woman’s Medical College of Pennsylvania. One discovery led to another, and Janis became fascinated by the pioneering women who became doctors at a time when fewer than five percent of physicians were women. She knew their stories deserved to be told.   There was just one problem: Janis had never planned to become a writer.  She learned how to write historical fiction while researching her first novel, eventually publishing The Unlocked Path all while continuing her full-time career in marketing and sales. Then, just weeks before the release of her second book, an unexpected corporate restructuring eliminated the job she’d held for 18 years.   Instead of allowing someone else to decide her career was finished, Janis began putting the pieces of her seemingly separate experiences together: marketing, sales, networking, public speaking, genealogy, historical research, and writing.   This conversation is about curiosity, lifelong learning, and the surprising ways one chapter of our lives can prepare us for the next, even when we have no idea where the story is going.  In This Episode  How approaching the empty nest prompted Janis to ask, “What’s next for me?”   The genealogy discovery that introduced her to the forgotten history of America’s early women physicians   Why Janis chose historical fiction as the way to bring those women’s stories to a wider audience   Learning an entirely new craft later in life and becoming a first-time novelist   How skills from her previous career became the building blocks for her next one   Resources and Mentions:   Janis shares information about her books, speaking engagements, genealogy workshops, newsletter, and Women’s History Month historical-fiction program through her website. Her novels are available in multiple formats and can also be requested through bookstores and libraries. She can also be found on Facebook and Instagram.   Janis’ books are available in multiple formats on Amazon: https://amzn.to/4gDUmB4 (ad link) and can be requested through bookstores and libraries.   website: www.janisrdaly.com newsletter sign-up: www.janisrdaly.com/newsletter Facebook: @janisrobinsondalyauthor Instagram: @janisrdaly_writer  YouTube: @JanisDaly  About Janis Robinson Daly:   Inspired by discovering an ancestor founded the Woman’s Medical College of PA in 1850, Daly published her first novel at the age of 60.   The Unlocked Path celebrates pioneering women doctors at the turn of the 20th Century.   The Path Beneath Her Feet, honors the work of the American Women’s Hospitals in rural America during the 1930s.   Her third book, Under Two Flags, is a retelling of a memoir of a young Boston woman who travels to Berlin in 1916 to study opera. The original memoir, With Old Glory in Berlin, published in 1918, was ghostwritten by Daly's grandfather, Eliot H. Robinson, Sr.  Her annual literary citizenship program, #31titleswomeninhistory, has gained recognition from historical fiction authors and avid readers as an innovative way to celebrate Women's History Month in March.  Daly is a sought-after speaker for book clubs, women’s groups, libraries, and writers’ groups. In addition, she leverages her career in corporate sales and marketing to offer authors marketing consultancy service to assist other writers navigate book marketing.

    It’s Finally My Turn: How an Empty-Nest Hobby Opened a Whole New Chapter
  4. Sep 10

    College Is Just a Steppingstone. Adulting Is the Goal

    Preparing a teenager for life after high school has become one of the most stressful milestones many families face. Questions about college, careers, student debt, AI, gap years, and an uncertain future can leave both parents and teens feeling overwhelmed.  In this episode, Kathy talks with Shellee Howard, founder of College Ready and an award-winning college strategist with nearly two decades of experience helping families navigate this journey. Rather than focusing solely on admissions, Shellee challenges parents to think differently: the real goal isn't getting into college; it is helping young people become confident adults who know themselves and are prepared for whatever comes next.  Together they discuss why community service is such a powerful confidence-builder, how to help teens discover their strengths, why many students become paralyzed by fear, and how families can approach college planning without losing their minds or their money.  Whether you're raising a high school student, mentoring young adults, or simply interested in how today's generation is navigating an increasingly complex world, this conversation offers practical guidance and plenty of hope.  In This Episode  Why Shellee believes college is only a steppingstone—not the destination   Helping teenagers discover strengths before choosing a major   The surprising role community service plays in confidence and career clarity   Why today's teens often freeze instead of trying   Understanding the influence of social media, comparison, and fear of failure   The growing impact of AI on career planning   When a gap year makes sense and when it doesn't   How parents and teens can communicate more effectively about the future   Resources families can use to reduce stress around college planning   Resources Mentioned  Get Shellee’s Book, How to Send Your Student to College Without Losing Your Mind or Your Money, on Amazon: https://amzn.to/4fTUkno (ad link)   Free Strategy Call with Shellee: https://collegereadyplan.info/  Shellee’s Free Resources, including a Student Path Quiz and Student Aid Index Calculator: https://collegereadyplan.com/resources/   Shellee’s non-profit foundation and action organization: https://empowereducation.world/   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/collegereadyplan/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CollegeReadyPlan/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/college-ready Website: https://collegereadyplan.com/  About Shellee Howard  Shellee Howard is the founder and CEO of College Ready, a 2026 Global Educational Consultant of the Year, UC graduate, and mom of four debt-free college grads—including a Harvard pre-med alumnus. She’s helped families worldwide earn top-choice acceptances and over $80 million in scholarships.

    College Is Just a Steppingstone. Adulting Is the Goal
  5. Sep 3

    And We’re Back! Season 2 of Surfing the Quicksand is here! (Ep 201)

    After a summer spent meeting new people, recording new conversations, and thinking about what I want this next season to be, I’m excited to be back in your ears and on your screens for another “school year” together.  This season, we’ll continue exploring the challenges, transitions, and possibilities of midlife, with conversations about reinvention, resilience, caregiving, relationships, work, learning, community, and more.  But one idea is already emerging especially strongly for me: the quicksand is layered.  Rarely are we dealing with just one thing. Career frustration happens alongside caregiving. Parenting challenges arrive when life already feels heavy. Relationship changes, aging parents, menopause, questions about what’s next? They overlap. And sometimes it’s the weight of all those layers, rather than any single one, that leaves us feeling stuck.  Season 2 will make room for those layers, while also bringing you stories of hope, creativity, reinvention, and women who have looked at a need in their communities or their own lives and asked, “What if I could do something?”  My hope is that Surfing the Quicksand continues to be a place where you feel nurtured, inspired, educated, entertained, and a little less alone as you navigate this stage of life.  And I’d love your help shaping where we go next. If there’s a topic you want to hear about or an amazing woman you think I should meet, please reach out at Kathy@quicksandpod.com or find me on social media.  Welcome back. I’m so glad you’re here for Season 2.

    And We’re Back! Season 2 of Surfing the Quicksand is here! (Ep 201)
  6. Jul 2

    Forty Conversations Later: What Season One Taught Me About Getting Unstuck (Ep 141)

    Season One may be wrapping up, but the conversation is just getting started.  After forty episodes of honest conversations with inspiring women, Kathy steps back to reflect on the themes that emerged again and again throughout the season. From reinvention and resilience to community, courage, and the power of taking one small step, these conversations revealed that getting unstuck isn't about avoiding life's quicksand; it's about learning how to navigate it.  Kathy also shares her own answers to the Quicksand Three questions for the first time, gives listeners a preview of what's coming in Season Two, introduces her new Substack, and talks about how listeners can help grow the Surfing the Quicksand community.  Whether you've been here since Episode 1 or you've just discovered the podcast, this episode is a celebration of the remarkable women who shared their stories—and an invitation to keep surfing alongside us.  In This Episode  Reflecting on the biggest lessons from Season One   Why recognizing you're stuck is often the hardest first step   The surprising patterns that emerged across forty conversations   Why starting over isn't failure but rather intentional reinvention   The role community plays in navigating life's transitions   Kathy answers her own Quicksand Three questions   A look ahead at Season Two   Introducing Kathy's new Substack   Ways listeners can support the podcast   Resources and Mentions  Kathy's new Substack: https://kathyvines.substack.com/    Comments? Guest ideas? Sponsor connections? Email Kathy @ quicksandpod.com or Send a note or comment on the website - https://www.QuicksandPod.com   Follow and Leave a review on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/surfing-the-quicksand/id1834681048   Follow the podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@QuicksandPod

    Forty Conversations Later: What Season One Taught Me About Getting Unstuck (Ep 141)
  7. Jun 25

    When You Can't Fix It: Finding Grace in Grief (Ep 140)

    Most of us think of grief as something that happens after a death. But grief shows up in many forms throughout our lives: during caregiving, health challenges, major transitions, changing identities, estranged relationships, unrealized dreams, and even positive life changes.  In this episode of Surfing the Quicksand, Kathy talks with Dr. Larey Swanson, an integrative health and wellness coach, physician, and grief circle facilitator, about the many ways loss and grief shape our lives. Drawing from both professional expertise and deeply personal experiences, including the loss of both parents, caregiving, and supporting a child through a life-altering illness, Larey offers a compassionate and expansive view of grief.  Together, they explore anticipatory grief, ambiguous loss, disenfranchised grief, and the myth that grief follows a predictable timeline. They discuss why grief cannot be fixed, the importance of being witnessed rather than advised, and how community, ritual, and meaning-making can help us navigate life's most difficult transitions.  Whether you're grieving, caregiving, supporting someone you love, or simply preparing for the realities of being human, this conversation offers wisdom, validation, and hope.  In this episode, we discuss:  • Why grief is much broader than death and bereavement • Anticipatory grief and grieving losses before they happen • Ambiguous loss and caregiving for loved ones with dementia or Alzheimer's • Disenfranchised grief and the losses society often minimizes • Why grief and gratitude can coexist • The myth of closure and the myth of a grief timeline • How grief affects both mind and body • The healing power of grief circles and community support • Meaning-making as a pathway through loss • Practical ways to care for yourself while grieving • How to support someone who is grieving without trying to fix them  Resources and Mentions  Dr. Larey Swanson’s company website, Grief Circle information, and newsletter sign-up:   Achieve Health & Wellness Coaching https://www.achievehealthandwellnesscoaching.com/  Larey’s LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/larey-swanson-889822146/    Book recommendation: Loss, Trauma, and Resilience: Therapeutic Work with Ambiguous Loss by Pauline Boss (paid link) https://amzn.to/4dNS6EN   Book recommendation: The Myth of Closure by Pauline Boss (paid link)  https://amzn.to/4dNS6EN   Website: Center for Prolonged Grief at Columbia University: https://prolongedgrief.columbia.edu/    About Larey Swanson, MD:   Larey Swanson holds an M.D. from the University of Minnesota and has worked as a medical researcher, writer, integrative provider, and integrative health and wellness coach.   Her work experience combined with her personal healthcare journey has impassioned her to believe that health and wellness coaching is the missing link toward wellness in our system today.   She has personally encountered the benefits of a holistic view of health and believes that integrative health and wellness coaching combined with a focus on lifestyle medicine and behavior change expertise can cultivate the physical and mental wellness we all crave.  Through her business, Achieve Health and Wellness Coaching, Larey offers virtual grief circles, one-on-one coaching, and educational resources for individuals navigating loss, grief, caregiving, and major life transitions.

    When You Can't Fix It: Finding Grace in Grief (Ep 140)
  8. Jun 18

    “ She’s Just Not Herself ”: When It’s More Than Forgetfulness (A Dementia Conversation) EP139

    In this deeply informative and compassionate conversation, Kathy sits down with gerontologist, educator, and advocate Donna Fedus to talk about aging, dementia, caregiving, and the emotional realities families face as loved ones experience cognitive change. Donna helps unpack the often-confusing language around dementia, Alzheimer’s disease, mild cognitive impairment, and caregiving, while offering practical guidance for adult children, spouses, and caregivers trying to navigate difficult decisions with empathy and clarity. Together, Kathy and Donna explore: - The difference between normal aging and concerning cognitive changes - Why dementia is a broad umbrella term (Alzheimer’s is only one possible cause) - Reversible causes of dementia symptoms, including UTIs and medication interactions - How to recognize early warning signs - The emotional toll and stigma caregivers often face - Why connection, music, purpose, and emotional understanding still matter deeply - How caregivers can broaden their “care circle” and ask for support - The guilt many families feel around changing living situations or memory care - Why education and communication can make caregiving feel less overwhelming Donna also shares hopeful perspectives on brain health, cognitive reserve, and the importance of seeing people with dementia as whole people who are still reachable, meaningful, and deserving of connection. This episode is an essential listen for anyone caring for aging parents, worrying about cognitive decline, or trying to better understand what compassionate caregiving can look like. Resources Mentioned - Alzheimer’s Association-https://www.alz.org/ - Alzheimer’s Foundation of America-https://alzfdn.org/ eldercare.gov-https://eldercare.acl.gov/home - Area Agencies on Aging Donna’s company: Borrow My Glasses-https://borrowmyglasses.com/ Donna’s “WOOP” Groups for Caregivers -https://borrowmyglasses.com/product/woop-group/ Borrow My Glasses Catalog for talks and workshops you can bring into your organization or conference: https://borrowmyglasses.com/resource-list/ About Donna Fedus Donna Fedus is a gerontologist, educator, and advocate who has spent more than three decades helping people better understand aging, dementia, caregiving, and brain health. Through her organization, Borrow My Glasses, Donna works with organizations, professionals, caregivers, and families to build compassion, practical skills, and confidence around aging and cognitive change. Donna’s LinkedIn Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donna-fedus/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/borrowmyglasses/

    “ She’s Just Not Herself ”: When It’s More Than Forgetfulness (A Dementia Conversation) EP139
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Helping midlife women get unstuck – at home, at work, in our relationships, from ourselves – one chat at a time. Host Kathy Vines explores all sorts of ways we can get stuck and brings us together to see the possibility and strike a path forward and get UNstuck. Come for education, inspiration, entertainment, and action! Podcast Engineer: Nate Winchell Music: "Take Off," Luke Bergs & Waesto (licensed material) Presented by Clever Girl Organizing, Inc.

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