The Root Cause - Business of Medicine Podcast

Dr. Erik and Dr. Davin Lundquist

The U.S. healthcare system is at a breaking point—soaring costs, worsening outcomes, and widespread physician burnout. The Root Cause – Business of Medicine podcast, hosted by brothers Dr. Erik Lundquist and Dr. Davin Lundquist, charts a different path: one where healing, fulfillment, and business thrive together. Each episode shares powerful stories of medical professionals who stepped away from the traditional grind to embrace integrative, functional, and alternative approaches to care. Through candid conversations with practitioners who have redefined success, listeners gain insight into navigating their own transitions, reclaiming a sense of purpose, and reshaping the way they practice medicine.

  1. 4d ago

    Episode 23: What Your Practice Is Actually Worth — Teona Ducre on Concierge Recruiting, Management Companies, and the Exit Nobody Plans For

    Erik and Davin have had a lot of physicians on this show. This week they have someone who talks to physicians all day long — from the other side of the table. Teona Ducre is a physician recruiter with Pinnacle Health Group, specializing in concierge, direct primary care, and membership practices. She screens seven to ten doctors a day across primary care, urology, rheumatology, and gastroenterology, and works markets from Texas and Kansas to Chicago, California, and the UAE. Ask a physician what their practice is worth and you'll usually hear about the build-out, the equipment, the years. Teona's answer is much shorter: your patient panel. Almost nothing else counts. She didn't arrive here through healthcare. She was a journalist, then spent eleven years in education. Then, on April Fool's Day 2016, at 41 and a single mother of two teenagers, she was diagnosed with stage 3 pancreatic cancer — when the five-year survival rate was seven percent. The advocacy work she took up afterward put her in rooms full of physicians, and a recruiting firm owner noticed. Ten years out, she screens candidates for compassion and connection as hard as she screens for clinical skill, because she has been on the other side of that exam room. In this episode Journalism, then eleven years teaching, then a stage 3 diagnosis — and how advocacy turned into a recruiting careerWhat being the patient permanently changed about how she screens physiciansThe numbers behind the shift: concierge and DPC practices grew more than 80% between 2018 and 2023, with physicians entering the model up nearly as much. "This isn't a niche market anymore."Why employers — airlines, big-box retail, car dealerships — are now buying direct primary care for their staffSpecialty direct care on the rise: the Chicago endocrinologist who flipped to a membership model and kept about 70% of his panelThe compensation conversation nobody has in medical school: RVUs vs. income guarantee vs. straight salary, and the answer she hears most ("I have no idea what you're talking about")The 1,800–2,000 patient panel rule of thumb for converting to concierge — and when it still works with lessHow to vet a management company: track record, panel-growth forecast, a specific marketing plan, territory, and the 10–12% vs. 15–20% fee questionDavin on his own exit from a health system — the sabbatical year, and why a physical office mattered more than he expectedSuccession planning from day one, and the question that reframes it: would you buy your own practice today?What a valuation actually looks at — subscription rate times panel, 7–10% expected attrition, real estate in, furniture and equipment essentially outWhat she's seeing from private equity in functional and integrative medicine, and why more fellows are heading into private practiceLongevity medicine abroad — her UAE client, and the thought she had in Portugal after treatmentAbout Teona Ducre Physician recruiter with Pinnacle Health Group, the Atlanta-based national search firm, focused on concierge, direct primary care, and membership practices. A ten-year survivor of stage 3 pancreatic cancer and an advocate with the Pancreatic Cancer Action Network, she came to healthcare recruiting by way of journalism and more than a decade in education. She writes an ongoing LinkedIn series on the business of concierge medicine and direct primary care. Links Teona Ducre on LinkedIn — her concierge and DPC seriesPinnacle Health Group

    Episode 23: What Your Practice Is Actually Worth — Teona Ducre on Concierge Recruiting, Management Companies, and the Exit Nobody Plans For
  2. Jul 31

    Season 2 Premiere: The Cost of Being Right — Dr. Richard Horowitz on Lyme, Medical Boards, and 41 Years of Listening to Patients

    Season 2 opens with a conversation Erik and Davin have wanted to have for a long time. Dr. Richard Horowitz is a board-certified internist, the creator of the 16-point MSIDS model, and the New York Times bestselling author of Why Can't I Get Better? — the book patients call "the Lyme Bible." Over 41 years he treated more than 13,000 patients with chronic Lyme and tick-borne disease. In November 2025 he closed his clinical practice, and more than twenty advocacy organizations jointly honored him with a Lifetime Achievement Award. But this isn't a victory lap. It's the story of what it actually cost. Early in his career, Horowitz did what a well-meaning doctor does: he brought the insurance companies in to look at what he was finding. They told him he'd "spent $70,000 on a disease that doesn't exist." The medical boards investigated him. The panels threw him out. He lost 2,000 patients in one stroke and remortgaged his house to keep the doors open. His wife told him she'd understand if he wanted to stop. He didn't stop. In this episode he explains why — and the answer turns out to be less about stubbornness than about a two-hour-a-day meditation practice he started in medical school, precisely because he knew he'd need it. In this episode Bringing the HMOs in to validate his findings — and what happened insteadLosing 2,000 patients, remortgaging the house, and deciding whether to keep goingWhy he's never been successfully sued in 41 years, and what his documentation had to do with itMeditating two hours a day through medical school — and a Jewish physician's path into a Tibetan Buddhist practiceHow the MSIDS model was discovered by listening to patients, one unexplained finding at a timeDapsone combination therapy, now backed by eleven peer-reviewed papersThe Alzheimer's case: reversing p-tau 217, the most sensitive biomarker, in a live patient with chronic LymeWhy Ending Chronic Illness argues all 16 MSIDS factors apply well beyond Lyme — including cancerWhat he'd tell a physician who is certain they're seeing something their specialty says isn't thereAbout Dr. Richard Horowitz Founding member and past president-elect of ILADS. Served on the HHS Tick-Borne Disease Working Group and co-chaired its co-infection subcommittee, which delivered recommendations to Congress. Founder of the MSIDS Foundation. Author of Why Can't I Get Better?, How Can I Get Better?, and Ending Chronic Illness (Simon & Schuster, October 2026). Links cangetbetter.com — books and consultingMSIDS FoundationMedical Detective — his Substack

    Season 2 Premiere: The Cost of Being Right — Dr. Richard Horowitz on Lyme, Medical Boards, and 41 Years of Listening to Patients
  3. Jun 12

    Episode 21: Twenty Episodes In — How Our Own Podcast Changed the Way We Practice!

    Twenty episodes in, brother doctors Erik and Davin Lundquist step out from the interviewer's chair to reflect on Season One of The Root Cause Business of Medicine and tee up Season Two. The Lundquist brothers — Erik a longtime functional-medicine physician, Davin newer to the path — talk candidly about launching the show as self-described novices, figuring it out episode by episode, and why shipping something imperfect beat waiting for polish. Looking back across the first 20 episodes, they revisit standout moments: Chris Magryta's work securing local funding to feed underserved pediatric patients; a physician's pivot from high-end concierge care to building a direct-primary-care company that helped catalyze the membership movement; and one-liners that stuck — "ready, fire, aim," the two-stakeholder simplicity of cash-pay care, and Tieraona Low Dog's "knee to knee" patient connection. They credit guests like Jeffrey Bland and Jill Carnahan for pairing rigorous science with genuine human healing. Most tangibly, the brothers share how the show reshaped their own practice — layering a membership model over insurance-based care, tightening compliance, and refining their niche and branding. They close with what's ahead: all 20 episodes rolling out as videos (~2/week on YouTube) and Season Two's topic-driven episodes. For clinicians weighing a move toward integrative, membership-based care, it's both a recap and an invitation.

    Episode 21: Twenty Episodes In — How Our Own Podcast Changed the Way We Practice!
  4. May 15

    Episode 19: Direct Pay, Demoralized Doctors, and the Future of Healthcare - with Jessica Craig

    Brothers, and Doctors Erik and Davin Ludnquist sit down with health reporter Jess Craig to unpack what "cash-based care" actually means — and why it's quietly tripled over the past several years. Drawing on her reporting at Straight Arrow News and her decade in infectious disease epidemiology, Jess maps the landscape: direct primary care (now 11% of family physicians, up from 3% in four years), cash-based specialty and surgical centers like the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, longevity-focused practices, and the rapidly growing world of direct-to-employer contracting (40% of large companies and 20% of small ones now negotiate directly with health providers). The conversation moves through the structural forces driving the shift — flat insurance reimbursement against rising overhead, the stakeholder problem of insurers and PBMs sitting between patient and physician, and what Jess in her recent reporting calls the demoralization of America's doctors. They wrestle with the inherent scaling tension in cash-based care, how AI is more likely to be deployed to maximize insurance margins before it relieves physician burden, and what international models (Kenya, Canada, global health insurance) can teach Americans about price transparency and personal responsibility. Jess closes with a journalist's challenge: keep questioning, follow the evidence, and resist letting health policy collapse into political tribalism. For physicians evaluating a model change, employers reconsidering benefits, and anyone trying to understand why so many doctors are walking away from the insurance-based system.

    Episode 19: Direct Pay, Demoralized Doctors, and the Future of Healthcare - with Jessica Craig
  5. May 1

    Episode 18: The Trusted Authority Triangle — JJ Virgin on Building a Brand in Functional Medicine

    Dr. Erik Lundquist and Dr. Davin Lundquist sit down with JJ Virgin for a candid playbook on what it actually takes to build a brand, marketing engine, and scalable practice in integrative and functional medicine. JJ walks through her Trusted Authority Triangle — Trust (built through vulnerability and showing humanity), Authority (built through absolutes and contrarian beliefs you'll defend, not credentials alone), and Proof (the patient transformation stories no one can copy) — with YOU at the center, because the best part of building a business is who you become in the process. She reframes imposter syndrome as evidence you're stepping into a bigger game, makes the case that "people seek experts, not generalists," and offers concrete tactics: a signature talk that doubles as lead-magnet content for YouTube, podcast, and social; capturing email lists everywhere you speak (since 50% of prospects buy within 18 months — but only 3% buy now); collaborating with 5–10 aligned partners who share your patient avatar; and optimizing for both SEO and AEO (AI-engine optimization) so AI assistants surface you to the patients you're meant to serve. The conversation closes on the bigger shift — moving from transactional fee-for-service to transformational programs, why AI is actually creating more demand for trusted human authorities, and JJ's mantra: "You shouldn't have to sacrifice your life to save others." For practitioners ready to stop trading time for money and build a sustainable, mission-aligned practice.

    Episode 18: The Trusted Authority Triangle — JJ Virgin on Building a Brand in Functional Medicine
  6. Apr 17

    Episode 17: From Pebble Beach to Astrid — Samir Qamar on 25 Years of Reinventing Primary Care

    Dr. Samir Qamar — one of the original founders of the Direct Primary Care movement and creator of MedLion, MedWand, and AstroDoc, joins Brothers, Dr. Erik Lundquist and Dr. Davin Lundquist, for a wide-ranging conversation shaped by a childhood spent across four continents with a UN-diplomat father. Samir traces his arc from Ross   University to England's socialized NHS to Penn Medicine-Lancaster General, where as an intern he cold-called MDVIP from his scrubs after  discovering concierge medicine. His first post-residency role was House Physician for Pebble Beach Resorts; that seeded MedLion, the nation's  largest DPC network across 27 states, which in turn led to the MedWand — a handheld telemedicine device that lets remote clinicians capture real  physical-exam data. His current obsession is AstroDoc and its AI health agent Astrid ("A System To Reinforce Infinite Doctors"), designed to be for billions of patients what Samir became for his own parents when they were sick. The conversation digs into healthcare versus sick care, why AI will change the physician's role without replacing it, the ethics of non-clinicians building medical AI, and Samir's view that the next generation of doctors will function as coaches and cheerleaders — not gatekeepers of knowledge.For physicians weighing DPC, founders building health AI, or anyone thinking about how the doctor-patient relationship evolves in an era of voice-enabled, multilingual, clinician-led tooling.

    Episode 17: From Pebble Beach to Astrid — Samir Qamar on 25 Years of Reinventing Primary Care
  7. Apr 3

    Episode 16: Healing the Healers with Erik Goldman - 25 Years Covering the Business of Integrative Medicine

    In this episode, Doctors and Brothers Erik and Davin Lundquist sit down with Erik Goldman, the co-founder and editor of Holistic Primary Care, a publication that has spent 25 years bridging conventional and integrative medicine for over 60,000 physicians. Goldman shares his journey from covering dermatology news to becoming New York bureau chief at International Medical News Group, where he realized mainstream medicine was almost entirely focused on end-stage disease with little attention to prevention or whole-person health. That realization led him and Publisher Meg Sinclair to launch HPC in 2000. The conversation dives deep into the structural forces shaping healthcare — the rise of managed care and HMOs in the 90s, how the "gatekeeper" model distracted primary care from its healing mission, and why insurance-based reimbursement remains the biggest barrier to integrative medicine adoption. Goldman draws on his experience  producing the Heal Thy Practice conferences (2009-2016) to share what made practitioners successful: confronting their psychology around money, breaking out of professional silos, and being willing to take risks even when the path isn't clear. Looking forward, Goldman argues the tipping point won't come from government but from Fortune 500 employers demanding better care models from insurers. He calls for the field's "different tribes" — naturopaths, MDs, nurses, chiropractors — to present a unified front and position integrative medicine as the core of healthcare, not a side dish. Essential listening for any clinician navigating the business side of integrative practice.

    Episode 16: Healing the Healers with Erik Goldman - 25 Years Covering the Business of Integrative Medicine

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The U.S. healthcare system is at a breaking point—soaring costs, worsening outcomes, and widespread physician burnout. The Root Cause – Business of Medicine podcast, hosted by brothers Dr. Erik Lundquist and Dr. Davin Lundquist, charts a different path: one where healing, fulfillment, and business thrive together. Each episode shares powerful stories of medical professionals who stepped away from the traditional grind to embrace integrative, functional, and alternative approaches to care. Through candid conversations with practitioners who have redefined success, listeners gain insight into navigating their own transitions, reclaiming a sense of purpose, and reshaping the way they practice medicine.

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