Approach the Bench

Approach the Bench

Two Christian Conservative Bachelors at Harvard Law take on the world's most difficult problems — on a bench. New episodes every Thursday. Send in your questions to approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com or record a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench. You can also submit anonymous questions and comments through https://forms.gle/qxmFi2y5DAnsbnBv8.

  1. 5D AGO

    Are Mormons Christians? | 2 Protestants Debate a Mormon (ATB #30)

    WEEK 30: Are Mormons Christians? (Outside an LDS Church) This week, we take the conversation outside—literally. Filmed in front of an LDS church in Cambridge, we sit down with John Warnock for one of the most important questions in modern Christianity: are Mormons Christians? We start with a simple goal: clarity, not cheap shots. This isn’t just a “debate”—it’s a serious attempt to understand where Christians and Latter-day Saints actually agree, where they fundamentally disagree, and whether those differences are big enough to matter. We begin with common ground. Both traditions affirm Jesus, the Bible, sin, salvation, and a moral vision that looks strikingly similar in everyday life. At a surface level, the overlap is real—and it’s why this question is so confusing for so many people. But then we press deeper. We walk through the core theological divides: The nature of God (Trinity vs. a fundamentally different view of the Godhead) Who Jesus is—and whether He is eternally God or something else What counts as Scripture—and whether revelation is closed or still ongoing Salvation—grace alone or grace plus covenantal obedience The Church—continuous from the apostles or lost and restored in 1830 We also unpack the broader LDS story—pre-mortal existence, the Book of Mormon, the Great Apostasy, and the Restoration through Joseph Smith—and why those claims put LDS theology in direct tension with historic Christianity. From there, we tackle the real question: what does “Christian” even mean? Is it self-identification? Agreement with the historic creeds? Belief in a particular gospel? Or something broader and more cultural? Depending on the definition, the answer changes—and we try to be honest about that. We also engage the strongest arguments on both sides. The case that the differences are material—and the case that they might not be. No dodging, no strawmen. Just a serious attempt to think it through. Midway through, we lighten things up with a rapid-fire “best age” game—when should you get married, start dating, have kids, retire, and everything in between. We close with Girl Problems: What’s the most effective way for a girl to get a guy to like her? Would you date a Mormon? This is one of those conversations where precision matters. Whether you come in with a strong view or just curiosity, the goal is the same: understand the differences clearly enough to decide whether they’re decisive. Email approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com with your questions/comments or submit a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench for a chance to be featured on the show! You can also submit anonymous comments through this Google Form: https://forms.gle/9Zjxzkpwajivx19z8 00:00 Introduction 02:35 Getting to Know John Warnock 04:53 What Mormons and Protestants Agree On 08:21 What Mormons and Protestants Disagree On 27:51 Are Mormons Christians? 1:38:23 Best Age Rankings 1:44:39 Girl Problems!

    1h 55m
  2. APR 23

    The War Fracturing the Legal Right (ft. Sarah Isgur) | ATB #29

    WEEK 29: Sarah Isgur on the War Fracturing the Legal Right Welcome back to Approach the Bench. This week we sit down with Sarah Isgur — SCOTUSblog editor, Advisory Opinions co-host, ABC News legal analyst, and author of Last Branch Standing. Before all of that: Harvard Law '08, Federalist Society president, veteran of three presidential campaigns, DOJ spokesperson during the Mueller investigation, and the subject of one of the more memorable hiring sagas in recent media history. We open near Harvard Law, where Sarah led the Federalist Society under then-Dean Elena Kagan. What is it actually like holding conservative convictions in an environment that mostly doesn't share them? Sarah walks us through Kagan's reputation for genuine even-handedness, shares a memorable story about Kagan as Attorney General and later as Justice, and reflects on what it means to be openly on the right in the most elite corners of the legal academy. From there, we get into the core of Sarah's new book and the central fight now consuming the legal right: process vs. outcome. Why does Sarah call the Court the "last branch standing"? We use the recent Alien Enemies Act rulings as a live case study — including Matt Walsh's call for Trump to ignore the Court and the remarkable moment when deportation flights to El Salvador continued after Judge Boasberg's order, met only by the Salvadoran president's "Oopsie — too late." We press Sarah on the strongest version of the outcome-first argument, what process is actually for, and whether a coherent defense of the Court requires accepting results you hate. We also ask her to help two originalists effectively counter Common Good Constitutionalism on campus — Adrian Vermeule's rising alternative to originalism that asks judges to incorporate a Catholic vision of the common good into their reasoning. Then we shift to our politics. Does it matter if a political leader is decent? Has the discounting of character produced a grifter class on the right, and fueled the rise of figures like Nick Fuentes and the culture of "vice signaling"? We wrestle with whether a kind "heretic" is more dangerous than an indecent ally, what a decency framework offers young people who've only ever known an indecent style of politics, and whether Sarah fears for the future of the GOP. We close, of course, with Girl Problems. We ask about that date with Ben Shapiro. And we settle a longstanding debate from a Dispatch "Not Worth Your Time" segment: manual transmission — green flag, deal breaker, or doesn't matter? Email approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com with your questions/comments or submit a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench for a chance to be featured on the show! You can also submit anonymous comments through this Google Form: https://forms.gle/9Zjxzkpwajivx19z8  00:00 Introduction 04:35 Two Harvard Laws 14:54 Attorney General Prediction? 16:24 Sarah’s New Book!24:09 Process v. Outcome (A Split in the Legal Right) 51:54 Decency in Politics 01:02:40 Girl Problems

    1h 8m
  3. APR 16

    How to Get Into Harvard Law with the LITERAL Dean of Admissions | ATB #28

    WEEK 28: How to Get Into Harvard Law (with the Dean of Admissions). Welcome to the Charles River. This week, we sit down with Dean Kristi Jobson—the literal Dean of Admissions—to answer the question everyone wants to know: what does it actually take to get into Harvard Law School? We start with Dean Jobson’s story—how she ended up at Harvard, what law school looked like when she was a student, and how she eventually took on one of the most influential roles in legal education. Along the way, we get a behind-the-scenes look at what it means to shape a class at the highest level.Then we dive into the main topic: the admissions process. We walk step-by-step through how applications are actually reviewed—from the first reader to the second reader to full committee discussions—and what really matters when decisions get made. One of the biggest takeaways: Harvard Law is far more holistic than people think. Numbers matter, but they’re not the whole story—and relying on them alone is a mistake.We break down the key components of an application:- GPA and LSAT (and how much they actually matter today)- Personal statements and how to stand out without sounding manufactured- Letters of recommendation, work experience, and extracurriculars- The interview—and what separates candidates at the highest levelWe also tackle some of the biggest misconceptions about Harvard Law admissions. Should you hide your political views? Can an application be too polished? Along the way, we cover the numbers: nearly 9,000 applicants, an admit rate just over 9%, and a class filled with near-perfect GPAs and LSAT scores. But more importantly, we focus on what those numbers don’t capture—and how applicants can distinguish themselves in a hyper-competitive pool.We also get into some lighter (and surprisingly revealing) moments, like how accurate Legally Blonde actually is.Then, of course, Girl Problems:- What’s the best profession for a lawyer to marry?- And is intra-section dating as a 1L a terrible idea?Email approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com with your questions/comments or submit a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench for a chance to be featured on the show! You can also submit anonymous comments through this Google Form: https://forms.gle/9Zjxzkpwajivx19z8

    1h 58m
  4. APR 9

    Can the Right Win Women Back? | ATB #27

    WEEK 27: Can the GOP Win Women Back? (with Keri Collins). Welcome to the Harvard Salient office. This week, we’re joined by Keri Collins, a freshman at Harvard College, to tackle one of the biggest political questions right now: why are young men and women drifting so far apart—and can the Right actually win women back? We start with a quick reset after last week’s episode, including strong feedback (both good and… Instagram comments), before jumping into a classic appetizer: rating pickup lines. From confident to cringeworthy, we sort them into “good,” “eh,” or “NEVER say that”—and learn pretty quickly what actually works and what absolutely doesn’t. Then we get into the main topic: the growing gender divide in politics. We break down the data—huge gaps in party identification, voting patterns, education, mental health, and issue priorities between Gen Z men and women—and try to figure out what’s actually driving it. Why are young women trending left? Why are young men trending right? And are both sides misunderstanding each other in the process? We also go deeper than just the numbers. We talk about expectations, resentment, and the real cultural tensions playing out online and in dating. From viral posts to personal experiences, we unpack why both men and women increasingly feel frustrated—and sometimes openly hostile—toward each other. From there, we push toward solutions:- What would it actually take to bring women back to the Right?- Is this a messaging problem, a policy problem, or something deeper?- Are we locked into a permanent divide, or is there a path forward? This ends up being less about politics alone and more about relationships, expectations, and how an entire generation is trying (and often failing) to understand each other. We close with Girl Problems: - What’s the proper order of gifts in a relationship? - Should a man’s salary matter when dating? - Are big, expensive weddings morally wrong? Email approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com with your questions/comments or submit a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench for a chance to be featured on the show! You can also submit anonymous comments through this Google Form: https://forms.gle/9Zjxzkpwajivx19z8 00:00 Introduction 14:25 Pickup Lines 24:17 Winning Women Back to the GOP 1:16:18 Girl Problems

    1h 35m
  5. APR 2

    Should Gay Marriage Be Legal? | ATB #26

    WEEK 26: The Gay Marriage Debate (with Ripken). Welcome back to the bench. This week, we’re joined by Ripken Holt for one of our most direct and controversial conversations yet: should gay marriage be legal—and how should Christians think about it? We jump straight into the deep end. No long intro—just the question everyone’s actually asking: what do Christians believe about gay marriage, and what should that mean for law and public policy? But before we get there, we lay the groundwork with a key threshold issue: how should Christians think about LGBTQ+ identity more broadly? We break down the three major frameworks you’ll hear today: the traditional/orthodox view, the celibate gay Christian perspective, and the affirming/revisionist position. We walk through the biblical texts, the theological reasoning behind each, and the real pastoral implications—especially for how Christians relate to people inside and outside the Church. From there, we move into the legal side: how marriage actually works in the United States. We explain the state-driven structure of marriage law, the role of the Constitution, and how cases like Obergefell reshaped the entire landscape. We also explore alternative frameworks—what it would look like to return to a pre-Obergefell system, remove the state from marriage entirely, or shift to a civil-union model. Then we hit the core debate: should Christians support banning gay marriage? We take seriously the argument that even if same-sex relationships are viewed as sinful, it doesn’t follow that the government should prohibit them. We walk through the “two kingdoms” framework, the limited role of law, religious liberty concerns, and the tension between moral conviction and political coercion. Will's Resources: Rebecca McLaughlin & Rachel Gilson Resources on Orthodox Approaches to HomosexualityPodcasts https://open.spotify.com/episode/2IjFDBoB9BJpVSHgXFLpnD?si=ojnWwQ4FTAOWK8cCN1oXLQ https://open.spotify.com/episode/4C8ArxaAY9qjE35p4l5oK8?si=PscLPwtJQ6i_IhoR-cESKA https://open.spotify.com/episode/1lTw8CM1kUAfhvlI2hbWgh?si=_0vKk6qwQa-TGSrp0gUgZA https://open.spotify.com/episode/6xHAFfGgcb7mbBRJFhdQCl?si=1fOeG5Z9S6ifUqdLgxGn4A Books Does the Bible Affirm Same-Sex Relationships?: Examining 10 Claims about Scripture and Sexuality" (2024) - Rebecca McLaughlin Born Again This Way: Coming Out, Coming to Faith, and What Comes Next (2020) - Rachel Gilson Along the way, we keep it grounded (and a little lighter) with some classic segments: - Ranking the best and worst fast food spots (yes, Chick-fil-A makes an appearance) - And some honest tension about what Christian relationships should actually look like We close with Girl Problems: - How Christian is “Christian enough” to date? - Should you call out friends for secular relationships?- Dating apps—with Ripken’s take This is one of those episodes where we don’t dodge the hard parts. Whether you agree or disagree, we try to lay out the arguments clearly, seriously, and without pretending the answers are easy. Email approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com with your questions/comments or submit a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench for a chance to be featured on the show! You can also submit anonymous comments through this Google Form: https://forms.gle/9Zjxzkpwajivx19z8 00:00 Introduction 03:49: The Christian View on Homosexuality 18:27 Gay Marriage: Should it be legal? 1:03:04 Fast Food Restaurants 1:10:01 Feedback 1:11:04 Girl Problems

    1h 23m
  6. MAR 26

    You Might Be Single Forever… And That’s Okay | ATB #25

    WEEK 25: The Singleness Special Welcome to Will’s house. This week, we slow things down after a run of politics-heavy episodes to ask a different kind of question: what if singleness isn’t just a temporary inconvenience—but actually a meaningful, even good, way to live? We kick things off with some spring break recap and listener feedback. Then we jump into a fun but revealing appetizer: Green Flag or Red Flag? From texting habits to family closeness to political intensity, we test our instincts on what actually matters in dating—and where people might be overthinking it. From there, we turn to the core topic: should you just stay single? We take a serious look at whether modern Christian culture has overpromised marriage—especially in the wake of purity culture—and whether that has set people up for disappointment. We walk through the biblical tension: marriage as a creational good, singleness as a real and sometimes advantageous calling, and the reality that neither is guaranteed. We break down the real advantages of singleness—time, flexibility, risk tolerance, and undivided focus—and distinguish between temporary and lifelong singleness. We also push back where needed: when “the gift of singleness” becomes an excuse to avoid growth, vulnerability, or rejection. Along the way, we tackle some uncomfortable but necessary questions: Are Christians subtly equating marriage with maturity? Why does Christian dating feel so intense and high-stakes? In what situations might someone actually be called to remain single long-term? We close by reframing the goal: not “find a spouse,” but “become a faithful, integrated Christian adult”—whether that leads to marriage or not. Then, of course, we finish with Girl Problems: How to handle it when someone seems interested—but they’re already in a relationshipDo girls actually like nice guys? (what the data says vs. reality)Do guys really have “types”?And one question we probably shouldn’t have answeredEmail approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com with your questions/comments or submit a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench for a chance to be featured on the show! You can also submit anonymous comments through this Google Form: https://forms.gle/9Zjxzkpwajivx19z8 00:00 Introduction, Spring Break, Homeless People 08:16 Where are We? And Feedback. 10:19 Red, Yellow, or Green Flag? 14:08 Singleness 44:52 Girl Problems

    1h 1m
  7. MAR 12

    Three Interventionists Debate Iran, Progressive Christian Nationalism, and Marriage | ATB #23

    WEEK 23: American Empire & Progressive Christian Nationalism. This week, we take the bench to the Radcliffe Gardens across from Cambridge Common and are joined by Frank, another Harvard student with a sharp interest in politics, law, and the role of religion in public life. We open with a quick introduction to Frank’s background — from Bates College to Harvard — and talk about what drew him into debates about politics, faith, and American power. For the appetizer, we come prepared with a classic law-student exercise: our top three best and worst Supreme Court decisions. We debate cases ranging from Brown v. Board and Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization to infamous decisions like Dred Scott, Buck v. Bell, and Wickard v. Filburn, arguing about which rulings most strengthened — or most damaged — the American constitutional system. The main topic turns to one of the most urgent geopolitical questions right now: Iran, U.S. power, and the rules of international law. We walk through the basic legal framework governing war between states under the United Nations Charter, including the prohibition on the use of force, the doctrine of self-defense under Article 51, and the principles of necessity and proportionality that are supposed to limit military action. Using the latest escalation between Iran, Israel, and the United States as a case study, we ask whether American involvement fits within international law — or whether the modern system has simply broken down when major powers decide to act. From there, we pivot to the growing political figure James Talarico, the Texas Democrat whose viral speeches combine progressive politics with overtly theological language. We unpack the idea of “progressive Christian nationalism,” look at some of Talarico’s more controversial statements about faith and identity, and debate whether his approach represents a genuine theological vision or a political repackaging of Christianity. We then turn briefly to the Texas Senate race, breaking down the contrast between John Cornyn’s institutional Republican career and Ken Paxton’s confrontational, populist brand of conservatism, and what that fight says about the future direction of the GOP. Finally, we close with Girl Problems, where things get a little more personal: Should you ever settle for anything less than the best in a spouse? What are the top traits to look for in a husband or wife — and which traits are the biggest red flags? We each give our lists and debate what actually matters when choosing someone to build a life with. Email approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com with your questions/comments or submit a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench for a chance to be featured on the show! You can also submit anonymous comments through this Google Form: https://forms.gle/9Zjxzkpwajivx19z8 00:00 Introducing Frank 12:27 Best and Worst Supreme Court Opinions 22:56 Iran and the American Empire 51:05 Progressive Christian Nationalism 1:08:32 Girl Problems: Best and Worst Traits in a Spouse

    1h 24m
4.3
out of 5
11 Ratings

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Two Christian Conservative Bachelors at Harvard Law take on the world's most difficult problems — on a bench. New episodes every Thursday. Send in your questions to approachthebenchquestions@gmail.com or record a voice memo at https://www.speakpipe.com/approachthebench. You can also submit anonymous questions and comments through https://forms.gle/qxmFi2y5DAnsbnBv8.

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