This episode examines popular VTuber avatar designs and how they influence audience engagement. The conversation covers community reactions to recent viral moments, perceptions of age representation in virtual content, and comparisons with trends in other regions. The discussion also reviews data on viewer sentiment, patterns in top-performing models, and broader questions about norms for online personas as technology evolves. Emphasis is placed on protecting real-world audiences while understanding market-driven preferences. Episode Transcript Malcolm Collins:Hello, Simone. Today, we are going to be talking about an interesting case that has had some virality within our community, which is TechTone found out to his horror that one of the VTubers he was crushing on was not a minor. What? Speaker 3:I swear, man, she said she was 13. Speaker 21:What the I feel like I just saw something illegal. I told the Internet Iron Mouse had a kid, and they’re 19, and Iron Mouse is 40? Speaker 20:Imagine how visibly shaken Iron Mouse is now. I was visibly shaken. Normies finding out VTubers are adult women, Malcolm Collins:And we need to talk about this because it’s a very there’s a this is deeper. And so I had an AI do an analysis on the top 10 VTubers to find out by looking at their models, plausibly, what what percent of them were not minors? And it said one of the 10. Simone Collins:Wait. Which one of the 10 doesn’t look like a minor? We’ll get to that. Okay. Malcolm Collins:We’ll get to that. We’ll look at them up. Scroll around Simone Collins:and find it. I need to see. Speaker 4:We ended up, looking up this individual, I do not agree with the AI and neither does Simone. We think she looks high school. May maybe plausibly barely legal. Malcolm Collins:And we’ll be going through the mage. But this is this is an interesting phenomenon because this isn’t necessarily that these women are choosing this. If you look at Yukiyaru, who we had on our stream recently Mhmm. She discussed the phenomenon where when she first went on, she planned to do Lutubing. She had a model with big jiggly boobs. She was like, okay. I’ll go out there. I’ll get all these guys. Simone Collins:Because she figured that was what people wanted, which is understandable. Malcolm Collins:As time went on, she moved to smaller and smaller breasts and both less sexualized and more overtly a minor model. Yes. and as she made that transition, her audience got bigger. Now she probably would have moved in the other direction had she not seen this. We probably wouldn’t see this many VTubers be doing this if this wasn’t what the audience apparently wanted. So the question becomes, why does the audience want this when there are not that many PDA files or maybe there are? Simone Collins:Allegedly. Another question Malcolm Collins:we’ll get to. Simone Collins:I don’t Malcolm Collins:know. And the second question, the question is, well, first, let’s just focus on the tech tone thing because I’ve I’ve I’ve found this whole thing interesting, and it’s worth talking about. Simone Collins:Right? Like, mid thirties? Malcolm Collins:So what he found out is he found out an old clip for her where she admitted to having a daughter who was at least 10 years old. And her own exactly 10 at that clip, and the clip was nine years ago. So it means that now she has a 19 year old daughter, which he took to mean she’s at least in her forties, which I would agree with. She’s probably at least in her forties. Simone Collins:Fair enough. And he’s 32 years old. Yeah. Okay. Malcolm Collins:Well and and he was scandalized by this. I mean, his clip, he he acted scandalized. I I will note here that I suspect that his scandalization was meant as a joke. Sure. Didn’t think through the meta of this. I don’t think that he actually really he’s not an idiot. He didn’t actually think that she was, a 10 year old, like, Simone Collins:a model. It’s just weird when there’s a disconnect between the public face and the voice behind it. That’s all. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 18:So the tech tone thing, it’s just a gag. We don’t really think that he thought that. it’s just funny the way this is playing out, and congratulations to him on the kid he has on the way. Malcolm Collins:And so I don’t I don’t really I I wanna be very clear here. I am not No. No. No. Tectonic the predator or something like that. I I’m I’m saying he did a bit, but I think the bit uncovers something much deeper, which is this inversion of the trope of, you know, the guy comes to your house from date line. He’s like, sit down. Sit down. Like and they’re like, I swear, I thought she was older. And here it’s like, I I I swear. I thought it was a 10 year old. I had no idea that was a 40 year old woman with children. And the Internet has been mostly sane about this. So I decided to do a sentiment analysis. So in case people are wondering, like, okay. I know this has been going viral. What percent of people? 55%, 45 to 55% are saying this is a complete nothing burger. Why are you caring about this? 25 to 35% are actively mad at the people who are doing any who are angry about this. Right? Like so a big chunk of the flashback has been, like, why are you shaming a woman for having children? Simone Collins:Oh. Right? Okay. Malcolm Collins:And only 20 to 30% actually treat this as any sort of a scandal. And first, I wanna note, I find this to be an incredibly healthy response from the wider community. I think it’s an incredibly good response to see from the wider community. And the the reason I say that is because the v tubing community in The United States grew out of the idol worship community in Japan and South Korea. And those communities in regards to stars having children or getting old is brutal and abusive, frankly. It’s it’s a really disgusting, community. It it promotes antinatalism in these countries because these stars aren’t allowed to have kids because everybody treats them like they’re married to them. Simone Collins:Right. Malcolm Collins:I know you’re gonna go into later in this piece where the same thing happened with a bunch of old ladies and a younger man, and then they they did freak out because he ended up sleeping with one of them. So we’ll talk about that. But, we we imported this from Japan, but we didn’t import the toxicity as much. Right? You know? And and and when this is flared up, we’ve pushed back, which I appreciate. But one of the things that we did import from Japan was the useful figures because this was a part of this culture in Japan as well when they were fictionalized. Yeah. So, I decided to go over top 10, just so we can talk through, this this wider phenomenon of the incredibly young looking VTuber model topping the charts. So top one here, you actually know this one because she’s in a titans shark princess song. This is Oh my god. Oh. Simone Collins:The the the reason why our daughter identifies as a shark princess. Yeah. Malcolm Collins:Because she saw a music video with Garugaru in it, and she said, that’s me. Simone Collins:Yeah. This is the video about me. Malcolm Collins:No. This is the video about me. It’s a very cute video. But, anyway, she she looks like a child. You you’d agree with that. Right? Like, Simone Collins:And I yes. I think, you know, kinda confirmed when a, you know, four year old girl thinks that it’s about her. So, yeah, if a four year old girl sees your video and is like, that’s me, I think something might be going on there. Malcolm Collins:Then we have Hoshima Marine, a a young face. I I looked up her big eyes, very young looking. Okay. Definitely not past 18. Hoshima Sushi, sushi or something. I I can’t pronounce any of these. Again, young face here. Usadako Pekaro was the next one. Kobo Canaro, she Kuma, Fubikino, Mori Callaloop, Sakura Miko, and then Unico, Corom. and and the smallest of these is at 2,280,000. and then you could add additional ones in there, like the one we’re talking about today, Iron Mouse, very clearly childlike. Fillion, quite big. I don’t know if you’ve seen Fillion, but very, very childlike in the way that both she presents acts and it it it’s shown on screen . In fact, of the ones that, like, I watch, the only ones that look, there’s some that look like teenagers, okay, that are popular in our community. Like, I’d say, Keirsha and Smuggalana. Mhmm. And the only one I know who actively presents as an adult is ChaCha. And that’s because ChaCha often talks about how many kids she’s had, and it’s it’s hard to not see her. So she takes on, like, the mommy role. Simone Collins:She’s like, 40. Any of the really busty ones are just obviously adults. Malcolm Collins:So of these, the ones that came off as clearly, like, child child Yeah. Would be Goro and Kobo. Okay. Then young teen to high school, you have Susi, Pekuro, Fubiko, Miko, and Koron. Okay. Young face, sexier body is Marine. And then close to adult is Callie. So let’s look at Callie because you said you wanted to see the one that Yeah. K. That’s Mori Callilope. Simone Collins:K. Malcolm Collins:Let’s see what she looks like to see if I agree with the AI. Because the AI actually looked up images of them. Simone Collins:Oh. Yeah. Malcolm Collins:She’s she’s plausibly I mean, I’d say barely legal. But Simone Collins:Yeah. I’m Malcolm Collins:No. This is a high schooler. Simone Collins:This is a high schooler. This is not an adult. She’s not of drinking age. Yeah. She’s adorable. But that’s the problem. She’s adorable. Maybe they saw any images of her with larger chesticles and therefore assumed that she was an adult. But all the other ones show her with a modest chest. So I don’t know. I don’t know what to make it. Malcolm Collins:Yeah. I’m looking at something. Let’s see. It’s cdeco pickerel. Wait. What is this one? I’m just spot checking thi