Ann and Sue are therapists, podcasters, and co-authors of the newly published book Secure Relating. Known for their work on modern attachment theory, Ann and Sue offer a fresh perspective on the process of building and maintaining secure relationships, moving beyond the traditional focus on attachment categories to a more fluid and dynamic approach. Expect to learn: — The thinking behind focusing on "secure relating" instead of "secure attachment." — What it means to "earn security" and how this is an ongoing process in relationships. — Why attachment should be viewed as a spectrum rather than fixed categories, and the benefits of this perspective. — How to become aware of your own attachment map — Practical strategies for deepening security in relationships and applying secure relating to communities. And more. You can learn more about Ann and Sue’s work at https://therapistuncensored.com. --- Sue Marriott, LCSW,CGP and Ann Kelley, PhD are the co-founders and co-hosts of Therapist Uncensored, a top 10 Apple Social Science podcast that has over 10 million downloads to date. Through their podcast, writing, and training, they bring their love and expertise of modern attachment and the relational sciences to audiences both nationally and internationally. Their book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World (HarperCollins, 2024) has received critical acclaim for being a cutting-edge, essential read on attachment security and neuroscience. Sue and Ann are married, are out and proud parents of 3 now adult children and currently reside in Austin, Texas. Ann Kelley, PhD Ann is a licensed psychologist who specializes in couples therapy from an integrative, attachment-based relational framework. In her former clinical role, Dr. Kelley served as the director of clinical treatment for a state-wide juvenile justice facility, where she supervised comprehensive interventions centered on trauma work and rehabilitation. She served as expert witness for courts and was often the agency spokesperson for national and international media outlets as a key resource regarding treatment of early trauma as a divergence to incarceration. In addition to clinical work and podcasts, she provides workshops and training in interpersonal neurobiology, modern attachment and couples. Sue Marriott, LCSW, CGP Sue is a licensed clinical social worker who has been in private practice for over 30 years. Her study groups and workshops demonstrate her on-going passion for linking research to real-world applications. Sue has served on several local and national boards that support mental health in communities. She is co-founder and former President of Austin IN (interpersonal neurobiology) Connection and served on the Board of GAINS, the Global Association of Interpersonal Neurobiology Studies and is a current Emeritus Board member of the nationally-based, Family Equality Council, to name a few. She provides workshops and training related interpersonal neurobiology, modern attachment, and group psychotherapy. --- Interview Links: — Ann and Sue’s website - https://therapistuncensored.com 3 Books Sue Marriott Recommends Every Therapist Should Read: — Shadow of the Tsunami — Philip Bromberg - https://amzn.to/3Mbr4tP — Decolonizing Therapy — Jennifer Mullan - https://amzn.to/3WOwWxU — Setting Boundaries That Stick — Juliane Taylor Shore LMFT - https://amzn.to/3Xdfu7C 4 Books Ann Kelley Recommends Every Therapist Should Read: — Attachment Disturbances in Adults: Treatment for Comprehensive Repair — Daniel Brown and David Elliott - https://amzn.to/3XcmSQD — Hold Me Tight: Your Guide to the Most Successful Approach to Building Loving Relationships — Sue Johnson - https://amzn.to/3MfJuJS — The Neuroscience of Human Relationships: Attachment and the Developing Social Brain — Louis Cozolino - https://amzn.to/3AGCfIa — Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World — Sue Marriott and Ann Kelley - https://amzn.to/46XvzBx