For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

New York Times bestselling author Jen Hatmaker has arrived in the middle years, and she couldn't be happier about it.Jen has navigated the ins and outs of life, from career to parenting, marriage (and divorce), spiritual evolution, and the joys of being a hardcore Gen Xer.With each weekly episode, Jen serves as our "everywoman" guide to all the seasons, past, present, and future, as she walks excitedly and tenaciously into the second half of life.Some weeks, Jen brings her perspective straight to you, just her and the mic, talking through the things we're all navigating. Other weeks, she pulls up a chair for some of the most interesting and accomplished guests around, plus a few of her favorite friends, bringing insight, expertise, and a whole lot of heart to the most relevant topics of our time.While Jen has plenty of wisdom to share (and some pretty hilarious stories, too), she doesn't claim to know it all. From her honest solo reflections to her compelling conversations with guests, she's here to reassure you that you're not alone in this game of life.It's "For the Love" of all that is good, justified, exasperating, exhilarating, real, fun, and so much more.

  1. 4d ago

    How to Be a Great Guest with Top Chef's Gail Simmons

    It's officially the season of invitations, and if your first feeling about the next holiday text is a tiny bit of dread, Gail Simmons wrote a book for you. Gail has been at the Top Chef judges' table since the very first season (20 years and 23 seasons!), and she noticed that for all the books on hosting, almost nobody teaches us how to be a good guest. So she wrote Guesting. Jen and Gail talk about why the judges never get to know the chefs, the food-loving parents who raised her to be curious about the world, the blunt advice that sent her to culinary school, and the signature-gift habit she picked up from food critic Jeffrey Steingarten. Plus: the uninvited guest who walked off with the centerpieces, why the Irish goodbye is actually fine, the "Jewish Canadian goodbye," and how to ask for leftovers like a pro. This is a conversation about reciprocity, gratitude, and building the connected world we're all hoping for. Thought-provoking Quotes: "I realized that we all guest in the world a lot more than we actually host." - Gail Simmons "This isn't Emily Post. This is how to contribute to our communities a little better." - Gail Simmons "We're voting on vibes, and you guys are voting on food." - Jen Hatmaker "Hosts don't host to get gifts... they host to host." - Gail Simmons "Dress, act, put out in the world for the experience you want to receive." - Gail Simmons "It's never too late to be grateful." - Gail Simmons "What I want people to say is she is the life of the party." - Gail Simmons Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Guesting by Gail Simmons - https://gailsimmons.com/guesting Signed copies from Books Are Magic - https://www.booksaremagic.net Top Chef on Bravo - https://www.bravotv.com/top-chef Guest's Links: Website - https://gailsimmons.com Instagram - https://instagram.com/gailsimmonseats Twitter - https://twitter.com/gailsimmons Connect with Jen! Jen's Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen's Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Jen's Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen's Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker Jen's YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

    How to Be a Great Guest with Top Chef's Gail Simmons
  2. 6d ago

    The Morning After Midterms: You Still Have Enough (Jen Hatmaker Solo Episode)

    If you’re hearing this the morning it drops, the midterms wrapped yesterday. I recorded this last week, on purpose, so I don’t know how it went. I don’t know what you woke up feeling, and honestly, I don’t know what I’m feeling yet either. Relieved, defeated, somewhere in between: either way, we still have to get up and make breakfast. We’re opening our November series on Enough, and today it’s just me and you with the most basic version of it: you have enough in you to show up today, no matter what happened yesterday. I’m asking three questions. What do you still have that you had yesterday? What can you set down, or hand to someone else, for 24 hours? And what is the next small thing that’s yours to do? Setting something down is not quitting. Being a good neighbor is not a small thing. And as we head into the holiday season, maybe facing some hard firsts, you also get to say enough is enough. I want all of us to have enough left for the long game. Thought-provoking Quotes: Enough really isn’t a feeling. For me, sometimes I see it more as a count.Setting something down is not quitting. Resting is not quitting. Pausing is not quitting.Hope can be so exhausting when you’re just trying to hold it up in the air with all your might.We can’t fix everything, but we do have to have dinner.Being a good neighbor to me is the highest apex of my faith.I believe that we belong to each other, and that we have far more in common than what separates us.Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Join the AWAKE Collective on Letters from the Middle - https://jenhatmaker.substack.comRead this month’s free essay - https://jenhatmaker.substack.com (the first essay of every month is free for all subscribers)November AWAKE Collective Reflection Guide, included with your subscriptionLeave us a voicemail - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast: Tell me three things you still have today.Connect with Jen!Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

  3. Oct 30

    Encore: Top Chef’s Kristen Kish on Last Chances, Living a Life That’s Accidentally On Purpose

    She's become a leading voice in the culinary world and now hosts the very cooking competition show that launched her career. Kristen Kish was eliminated from Bravo's Top Chef Season 10, then fought her way back through Last Chance Kitchen to win it all. Since her 2013 victory, she's opened her Austin restaurant Arlo Grey (with another on the way in NYC), hosted Kitchens at the End of the World and Iron Chef, and stepped into the host role at Top Chef: the student becoming the teacher. In her new book, Accidentally on Purpose In this episode, we cover: • Pivoting, embracing change, and building a truthful, authentic life • Why the road to success is more winding than it seems • Recognizing when it's time to make a change or step forward • Battling imposter syndrome, burnout, and the voice of doubt • How life's best opportunities often come from embracing the unexpected Thought-provoking Quotes: "I figured out that I don't need to be anything other than myself. " – Kristen Kish "For a long time, I didn't know myself at all. I was too scared. I was scared of knowing where I came from because what if I found out something absolutely horrible? " – Kristen Kish Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Top Chef - https://www.bravotv.com/top-chef Bravo - https://www.bravotv.com/ Accidentally on Purpose by Kristen Kish - https://amzn.to/4iJQy04 Arlo Grey - https://www.thelinehotel.com/austin/restaurants-bars/arlo-grey/ Stef Ferrari, food writer - https://www.theycallmeferrari.com/ferrari-here Charlotte Rose Coleman, fashion stylist - https://www.charlotterosecoleman.com/ Guest's Links: Website - https://www.thelinehotel.com/magazine/meet-atx-family-kristen-kish/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kristenlkish/ Twitter - https://x.com/kristenlkish Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/KristenLKish/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@kristenlkish Connect with Jen! Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

    Encore: Top Chef’s Kristen Kish on Last Chances, Living a Life That’s Accidentally On Purpose
  4. Oct 28

    Don't Make It Worse: Surviving the Midterms and Thanksgiving Dinner with Pantsuit Politics

    With the midterms days away, Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers of Pantsuit Politics break down what is really on the ballot, how to make sure your vote counts, and how to survive the Thanksgiving table when your family lands all over the map. This isn't an episode about how to vote. It's about how to be a person right now. Thought-provoking Quotes: "It doesn't cost me anything to listen to people." - Beth Silvers "Your vote counts more in the midterm elections because fewer people vote." - Beth Silvers "If you ask people to silence that, you lose the opportunity to connect." - Sarah Stewart Holland Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Sarah and Beth's books - https://bookshop.org/lists/pantsuit-politics-book-club Up First from NPR - https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510318/up-first The Daily - https://www.nytimes.com/column/the-daily The Ezra Klein Show - https://www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-klein-podcast For the Love with Priya Parker - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast Meander Bookshop - https://bookshop.org/shop/meanderbookshop Also mentioned: Start Here (ABC News), The New York Times, Axios, News Items, and Mary Higgins Clark's Where Are the Children? Guest's Links: Website - https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com Substack - https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com Instagram - https://instagram.com/pantsuitpolitics Sarah's Substack - https://stewartholland.substack.com Connect with Jen! Jen's Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen's Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Jen's Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen's Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker Jen's YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

    Don't Make It Worse: Surviving the Midterms and Thanksgiving Dinner with Pantsuit Politics
  5. Oct 23

    Kim Hill and Paulette Wooten: We Fell in Love and Lost Our Whole World

    Kim Hill had the kind of run most artists only dream of: number one songs on Christian radio, arena stages, and the biggest women’s conferences in the country. Paulette Wooten was a songwriter, musician, and ordained music minister helping build the modern worship movement from the inside. Then they met at a worship school, played a 45-minute set together as near strangers, and a year and a half of friendship on the road quietly turned into love. In a world where that was not allowed, they chose each other anyway. As part of our Courage to Change: Do It Scared series, Jen sits down with Kim and Paulette, now the Americana duo Wooten Hill, to talk about the long, slow road out of the world that built them. They share the disastrous wedding venue chapter (Billy and the squirrels!), what changed when they stopped hiding from themselves, why they chose not to blow up their lives, and how they’ve kept love at the center even when it wasn’t returned. Plus, the summer they waited on a grandbaby in Nashville and ended up making the truest record of their lives. Their first full-length album, How Did We Get Here, is out now. Thought-provoking Quotes: “If I am gay, I’m gonna be gay and have a real relationship. I’m not gonna have some no man’s land.” - Kim Hill“I feel like someone plugged me into an amp. I feel like I sing better.” - Kim Hill“This is the truest art I have ever put out.” - Paulette Wooten“You’re not too late, you’re not broken. You are enough.” - Kim Hill“I find that kind of faith the most faithful kind of faith.” - Jen Hatmaker“Your story has made you softer, not harder.” - Jen HatmakerResources Mentioned in This Episode: How Did We Get Here by Wooten Hill (streaming, CD, and vinyl) - https://wootenhill.comThe Road to Wooten Hill podcast (launching October 30) - https://wootenhill.comWooten Hill on Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/artist/wooten-hill/1539129507The Treehouse + Co - https://www.thetreehouseandco.com“How He Loves” by John Mark McMillan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_He_LovesLeave us a voicemail - http://jenhatmaker.com/PodcastGuest’s Links: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wootenhillmusic/ Website - https://wootenhill.com Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/wootenhillband/ Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/artist/wooten-hill/1539129507 Connect with Jen! Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker// ...

    Kim Hill and Paulette Wooten: We Fell in Love and Lost Our Whole World
  6. Oct 21

    Kim and Penn Holderness on Starting Over, Aging Out Loud, and Getting Ahead of Alzheimer's

    Description: Twelve years ago, Kim and Penn Holderness made a Christmas card video in their pajamas, it broke the internet, and they both walked away from careers in TV news to make videos full time. With two little kids, two months of savings, and no health insurance. In 2013, when that was not even a job. They have been reinventing ever since, and they are right in the middle of it again. We recorded this conversation in a very tender week. They had just moved their oldest back to college, and two days earlier, Penn's mother passed away after nine years in skilled nursing with Alzheimer's. They showed up anyway, and I am so grateful they did. We talk about the leap of 2013 and the creators who told them every new baby was worth a million followers, what they owe their kids for putting them on the internet before any of us knew better, why every couple should have a podcast even if you never post it, and why they took their family name off their show to start Laugh Lines, all about aging better together. Then Penn tells me about the Alzheimer's prevention trial he joined, what he learned about his own genes, the changes he is making now, and how his mom's brain went to a research study at Duke within an hour of her death so it could help someone else. I was not prepared, and I cried. It is one of the most hopeful things I have ever heard about this disease. This is part of our October series, Courage to Change: Do It Scared. Still to come this month: Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers of Pantsuit Politics. Thought-provoking Quotes: There is no such thing as a podcast emergency.Don't get good at something you don't really want to do.There's a moment where you can't not do that thing.Every couple needs a podcast, even if you don't post it.When you can hear how you talk to your partner, it is so eye opening.We know what a gift it is to age. I don't want to be 20. I don't want to be 40. I'm really thrilled with the age I am.You start saying goodbye to someone the minute they go into skilled nursing.We knew, okay, we're helping. Her brain's going to help.We all do what we do. No one's right or wrong.Everybody behind us will do a better version of it. But it's kind of fun being on the front edge with y'all.Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness - https://shows.acast.com/holdermess-the-holderness-family-podcastRetainYourBrain, Dr. Richard Isaacson's free brain health assessment platform - https://retainyourbrain.comAlzLabs, lower-cost at-home brain health blood testing from Dr. Richard Isaacson - https://alzlabs.orgADHD Is Awesome: A Guide to (Mostly) Thriving with ADHD by Penn and Kim Holderness - [LINK TBD]Everybody Fights: So Why Not Get Better at It? by Penn and Kim Holderness - [LINK TBD]Awake: A Memoir by Jen Hatmaker - https://bookshop.org/p/books/untitled-memoir-jen-hatmaker/22287565a target="_blank" rel="noopener noref ...

    Kim and Penn Holderness on Starting Over, Aging Out Loud, and Getting Ahead of Alzheimer's
  7. Oct 16

    Encore: Jenna Kutcher on Taking Your Dreams Off the Shelf and Embracing the “What Ifs”

    Description: Jenna Kutcher was a few years into a corporate career at Target when her boss slid a five-year plan across the desk. A promotion, more money, more responsibility, all mapped out by somebody else, and every step of it was something she did not want. She did not know yet what she wanted instead, but she knew exactly what she no longer wanted. So she bought a camera off Craigslist for $300. We’re in the middle of our Courage to Change: Do It Scared series, and I’m bringing back this conversation from January 2023, when it opened our For the Love of What If series. Jenna walks us through how that camera became a photography business, then the Goal Digger podcast, then the New York Times bestseller How Are You, Really?, and why she built the next thing quietly on the side while the paycheck was still coming in. We talk about what happens when more money doesn’t buy the life you’re longing for, why time became her real currency, and the question she asked me that I could not shake: not how does it look, but how does it feel. Stay for the end, because something happened after this tape. On the last day of 2025, after 968 episodes, Jenna paused Goal Digger while it was still going strong. She meant every word she said here. Thought-provoking Quotes: Her question is yours now. Not how does it look. How does it feel. (Jen Hatmaker)That is what courage to change actually looks like most of the time. Not a blaze of glory. Not a resignation letter thrown in the air. (Jen Hatmaker)A woman asking an honest question, hearing an answer she did not love, and then doing something about it anyway. (Jen Hatmaker)You are not in prison. You made that rule up, and you are allowed to change it. (Jen Hatmaker)Resources Mentioned in This Episode: How Are You, Really? by Jenna Kutcher - https://bookshop.org/book/9780063221949A New Chapter for Goal Digger - https://jennakutcherblog.com/a-new-chapter-for-goal-digger: Jenna on why she paused the podcastLeave us a voicemail - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast: Tell us about the safe thing you walked away from, or the one you’re thinking about leaving.Guest’s Links: Website - https://jennakutcher.com Instagram - https://instagram.com/jennakutcher Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenna.kutcher Connect with Jen!Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - a target="_blank" rel=" ...

    Encore: Jenna Kutcher on Taking Your Dreams Off the Shelf and Embracing the “What Ifs”

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New York Times bestselling author Jen Hatmaker has arrived in the middle years, and she couldn't be happier about it.Jen has navigated the ins and outs of life, from career to parenting, marriage (and divorce), spiritual evolution, and the joys of being a hardcore Gen Xer.With each weekly episode, Jen serves as our "everywoman" guide to all the seasons, past, present, and future, as she walks excitedly and tenaciously into the second half of life.Some weeks, Jen brings her perspective straight to you, just her and the mic, talking through the things we're all navigating. Other weeks, she pulls up a chair for some of the most interesting and accomplished guests around, plus a few of her favorite friends, bringing insight, expertise, and a whole lot of heart to the most relevant topics of our time.While Jen has plenty of wisdom to share (and some pretty hilarious stories, too), she doesn't claim to know it all. From her honest solo reflections to her compelling conversations with guests, she's here to reassure you that you're not alone in this game of life.It's "For the Love" of all that is good, justified, exasperating, exhilarating, real, fun, and so much more.

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