Growth Edge - A Leadership Podcast

Laurie Baedke
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A leadership podcast sharing insights from peak performers and top leaders on stepping outside of your comfort zone, overcoming adversity, and growing personally and professionally in order to achieve success.

  1. 2d ago

    High Standards, Harsh Voice: Why Accuracy Beats Self-Criticism

    Think about the last time you finished an important meeting. Maybe it went well. Maybe someone even stopped you afterward to say so. What did your inner voice do next? For many high-achieving professionals, that voice skips right past the compliment and goes straight to the one question we wish we had answered differently. We tend to call that discipline. Accountability. A commitment to excellence. In this solo episode of the Growth Edge Leadership Podcast, I offer a different possibility: the opposite of self-criticism isn't complacency. It's accuracy. Drawing on research that distinguishes perfectionistic strivings from perfectionistic concerns, I explore why high standards are rarely the problem, and how a harsh inner voice quietly distorts the data. It magnifies mistakes, discounts success, and can keep enormously capable leaders on the sidelines, waiting until they feel fully ready. Along the way, I reframe self-compassion not as a lower standard, but as a more accurate one, and share four practical ways to change the conversation in your head without lowering the bar. Key Takeaways High standards and harsh self-evaluation are not the same thing. Research distinguishes perfectionistic strivings, such as ambitious goals and caring deeply about our work, from perfectionistic concerns, such as fear of mistakes and chronic self-doubt. The standard is rarely the problem. The voice that accompanies it often is. Harsh self-criticism distorts the data. It magnifies mistakes, minimizes competence, and treats feelings of inadequacy as evidence of inadequacy. Separate data from story. "I didn't answer that question as clearly as I wish I had" is data. "I looked completely unprepared" is a story. Let success count. If every accomplishment becomes the new baseline and every shortcoming becomes fresh evidence against you, your internal scorecard is rigged. Success is feedback, too. Readiness is often the byproduct of a stretch assignment, not the prerequisite for it. Perfectionism can masquerade as discernment and keep capable leaders waiting on the sidelines. Self-compassion doesn't ask you to see yourself more favorably than the evidence warrants. It asks you to stop seeing yourself less favorably than the evidence warrants. Lead yourself the way you would lead others. Few of us would focus only on the one thing a team member missed, or use shame to keep them from becoming complacent. Four places to begin: listen to what you say to yourself in the 30 seconds after a disappointment, separate evidence from emotion, use the colleague standard, and complete the learning cycle. Then close the file. Reflection has an endpoint. Rumination does not.   Chapters 00:00 Welcome: The Conversation in Your Head 02:22 High Standards Aren't the Problem 04:08 Mistakes: Data or Story? 06:00 Letting Success Count 08:06 When Perfectionism Keeps Us on the Sidelines 10:08 Self-Compassion Isn't Soft 11:49 Four Ways to Change the Conversation 13:45 Keep the Standard, Change the Conversation

    High Standards, Harsh Voice: Why Accuracy Beats Self-Criticism

  2. Oct 12

    Hope Is Action: Dr. Mark Pochapin on Perspective, Possibility, and Leadership

    “What’s luck on the outside may very well be courage and skill and experience on the inside.” That is just one of the many memorable lines Dr. Mark Pochapin shares in this episode of the Growth Edge Leadership Podcast. Mark is a physician, professor, senior health system leader at NYU Langone Health, past president of the American College of Gastroenterology, and TEDx speaker. Over the course of his career, he has collected a set of phrases, affectionately known as “Poch-quotes,” that capture a leadership philosophy built on relationships, trust, learning, and generosity. During their conversation, Laurie invites Dr. Pochapin to unpack those ideas one by one. What emerges is a simple but powerful thread: how we see a situation shapes what becomes possible within it. He explains why there’s a reverse gear in a car, why there are only two outcomes to any endeavor, and how leaders create their own luck through relationships, preparation, and the courage to act. Together, they explore why the grass is greener where you water it, what separates the people who solve problems from the people who simply point them out, and how an interruption can become one of the best moments of a leader’s day. Laurie and Mark close with hope. Not as optimism or wishful thinking, but as action. Drawing on his work in medicine and a deeply personal family experience, Mark shares why realistic hope may be one of the most powerful things a leader can offer. Key Takeaways Sometimes you have to go backward to go forward. “In retrospect, we could have handled it better" is different from "you did something poorly.” It acknowledges that we made the best decision we could with what we knew at the time, and it turns hindsight into an opportunity for learning. There are only two outcomes to any endeavor: success and learning. The only time we truly fail is when we stop learning or stop trying. Lucky leaders make their own luck. What looks like luck from the outside is often experience, skill, judgment, relationships, and the courage to act when an opportunity appears. Hard work matters, and so does margin. Our best thinking often happens when we step away. Rest, reflection, and self-compassion are not indulgences. They are part of sustained excellence. The grass is greener where you water it. Before assuming something is better elsewhere, ask what you could make better where you are. Bring the problem, and bring a recommended solution. The person closest to a problem is often best positioned to help solve it, and leaders notice who brings solutions. Interruptions are part of a leader’s job. Even better, many can be elevated into touch points: moments to teach, connect, and leave both people better off. Hope is action, not a wish. Realistic hope moves people forward, whether they are facing a diagnosis, a disruption, or an uncertain future. Leadership starts with you, but it isn’t about you. The truest measure of a leader is the success and growth of the people they serve. 00:00 Welcome: Who Mark Is Beyond the Bio02:27 There's a Reverse Gear in a Car for a Reason04:42 Hard Work, Margin, and Self-Compassion08:11 Lucky Leaders Make Their Own Luck12:02 Leadership Starts With You13:27 The Grass Is Greener Where You Water It15:43 Bring the Problem, Bring a Solution18:18 Interruptions as Touch Points22:25 Hope Is Action, Not a Wish26:32 Rapid Fire and Final Reflections Connect with Dr. Mark Pochapin Mark Pochapin on LinkedIn How to Face Medical Diagnoses with Hope, TEDxNYU Langone Health Dr. Mark Pochapin, NYU Langone Health

    Hope Is Action: Dr. Mark Pochapin on Perspective, Possibility, and Leadership

  3. Oct 5

    I Am More Than What I Do: Dr. Paul Molyneux on the Cost of a Single Identity

    What happens when the work we are deeply committed to becomes too much of who we are?   In this episode of the Growth Edge Leadership Podcast, Laurie is joined by Dr. Paul Molyneux, a former consultant neurologist and medical director in the UK whose work now explores identity, meaning, purpose, and what helps high-achieving professionals thrive across the many seasons of a career and life.   Paul’s interest in identity began through his study of physician burnout. But what he discovered reaches far beyond medicine: a strong professional identity can be a tremendous source of meaning, purpose, achievement, and fulfillment. The challenge comes when that identity grows so dominant that every other part of who we are begins to fade into the background.   Paul and Laurie explore identity fusion, the point at which a professional role becomes difficult to separate from our sense of self. Drawing on the work of theologian Henri Nouwen, they examine the subtle but powerful distinction between “I am what I do” and a more expansive understanding of identity.   Paul also introduces the identity mixing desk, a framework inspired by a visit to the ABBA Museum in Stockholm. Like the channels on a mixing board, our identities as professionals, partners, parents, friends, creatives, people of faith, and so much more can each be turned up or down through different seasons of life. The goal isn’t equal volume. It is learning to create a mix that reflects who we are as a whole.   Along the way, Laurie and Paul discuss the opportunity cost of achievement, why meaning and identity need to evolve across a career, how stress can quietly crowd out other parts of ourselves, and why we are wise to begin building a fuller life before a transition forces us to.   Key Takeaways A strong professional identity is an asset. It can provide meaning, purpose, fulfillment, and motivation. The risk comes when it becomes the only meaningful source of identity. “I am what I do” is an easy trap for high achievers. Shifting from “I am a doctor” or “I am an executive” to “I work as…” creates subtle but important separation between our role and our whole self. Every demanding career carries an opportunity cost. Paul estimates that a US physician may invest roughly 35,000 hours in training alone—an especially vivid example of how deeply we can invest in becoming one thing exceptionally well. Think of identity as a mixing desk. Professional, relational, physical, creative, spiritual, and other identities each have their own channel. Different seasons of life call for different mixes. Burnout isn’t always about doing too much. Sometimes it is about being too little of everything else. Under stress, we can keep borrowing time and energy from other identities to sustain the one that feels most essential. Identity should evolve as life evolves. What serves us early in a career may need to shift in mid-career, later career, or during other significant life transitions. Don’t wait for a transition to force the question. Building relationships, interests, sources of meaning, and parts of yourself beyond work is valuable long before retirement or reinvention enters the picture. The goal is not to care less about your work. It is to build an identity expansive enough that your work can matter deeply without having to carry the entire weight of who you are.   Connect with Dr. Paul Molyneux Paul Molyneux on LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/drpaulmolyneux/ How to Maintain a Healthy Work Identity as a Doctor, BMJ Careershttps://www.bmj.com/careers/article/how-to-maintain-a-healthy-work-identity-as-a-doctor

    I Am More Than What I Do: Dr. Paul Molyneux on the Cost of a Single Identity

  4. Aug 31

    Leading from the Inside Out: Self-Awareness, Trust, and the Courage to Pause with Dr. Jess Bunin

    In healthcare, we spend years developing technical expertise. But some of the most consequential moments in leadership have very little to do with what we know, and everything to do with how we show up. In this episode of the Growth Edge Leadership Podcast, Laurie is joined by Dr. Jess Bunin, retired Army Colonel, critical care physician, psychiatrist, executive coach, and author of Self-Awareness and Trust: Leading Healthcare Teams from the Inside Out. Drawing from more than two decades of military service, clinical medicine, medical education, and leadership, Jess explores why leadership failures are so often relational rather than technical, and why self-awareness is foundational to nearly every other leadership competency. Jess shares candid stories from her own career, including returning to medicine after serious illness, recognizing the effects of fatigue while caring for a critically ill patient, and realizing how her rank and positional authority influenced the way others experienced her. Together, Laurie and Jess discuss the hidden messages healthcare sends about perfectionism, endurance, uncertainty, and asking for help, and the responsibility leaders have to model something different. They also explore the importance of reflection, feedback partners, values alignment, and what Jess calls the power of the pause: knowing when we need a tactical pause in the moment, a strategic pause before an important decision, or even an existential pause to reconsider whether the path we're on is still healthy and sustainable. In this episode, you'll hear about: * Why technical competence alone isn't enough to lead effectively * How relational missteps can fracture trust, and why they can be harder to repair than technical mistakes * The shift from adaptive to maladaptive perfectionism in healthcare * How leaders unintentionally reinforce cultures of overwork and self-sacrifice * Why saying "I don't know" can increase rather than diminish credibility * The difference between intention and impact in difficult conversations * How positional power and privilege affect psychological safety * Why Jess challenges healthcare's traditional framing of resilience * The role of self-awareness in becoming the best version of yourself rather than emulating someone else's leadership * The value of having a trusted feedback partner before and after high-stakes conversations * How values can serve as an early warning system when we're beginning to drift * The tactical, strategic, and existential pauses that help leaders respond with greater intention One reflection question Jess recommends returning to regularly: Am I living by my values today? How am I? Or how am I not? And sometimes the earliest sign that something needs attention is remarkably simple. For Jess, it's noticing when she has stopped singing and whistling around the house, a personal signal that prompts her to reflect on what's changed and what she may need. About Dr. Jess Bunin: Dr. Jess Bunin is a retired Army Colonel, critical care physician, psychiatrist, and certified executive coach with more than two decades of military service. A graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point and Tulane University School of Medicine, she completed her medical training at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Throughout her career, Jess has directed ICUs, residencies, and fellowships and served as an assistant dean for faculty development and professor of medicine at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. She deployed to Iraq as a psychiatrist and Afghanistan as an intensivist and now brings her experience in psychiatry, critical care, coaching, and leadership development to the work of developing healthcare leaders and improving healthcare systems. Her first book is Self-Awareness and Trust: Leading Healthcare Teams from the Inside Out. Connect with Dr. Jess Bunin Website: www.jessbuninmd.com
 Book: Self-Awareness and Trust: Leading Healthcare Teams from the Inside Out https://www.amazon.com/Self-Awareness-Trust-Leading-Healthcare-Inside/dp/1960762699/ref=sr_1_1?crid=V1O05STKA6YN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.a0Ri_mLG62ZzTtfb3fF9UWkHkQaMjrLf-FVpUdCpC6LGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.aiQ9ZzGUHjN1DKpthV6JtEoEyEWNx_RahXa2AXfSuI8&dib_tag=se&keywords=jess+bunin&qid=1787762525&sprefix=jess+bunin%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-1

    Leading from the Inside Out: Self-Awareness, Trust, and the Courage to Pause with Dr. Jess Bunin

  5. Aug 24

    Consistency Compounds: Why We Overvalue Intensity

    We tend to overestimate the value of intensity and underestimate the power of consistency. We do it with our money. Our health. Our learning and personal growth. And we absolutely do it in leadership. We're drawn to the big move: the dramatic intervention, the 30-day challenge, the new certification, the annual retreat, the complete reset. Intensity feels like progress. But most of the things that matter most aren't built through intensity. They're built through small actions, repeated over time. In this solo episode, Laurie explores why consistency compounds, and why perfectionism and all-or-nothing thinking so often get in the way. Drawing from lessons learned through marathon training, long-term investing, habit formation research, and the science of deliberate practice, she considers what happens when we stop waiting for optimal conditions and start engaging, learning, reflecting, and trying again. Because consistency doesn't mean consistently excellent. Consistency means returning. And whether we're building our health, our leadership capability, our relationships, or our organizations, practice precedes mastery. In this episode: * Why intensity gets our attention while consistency changes our lives * What marathon training teaches us about good days, bad days, and continuing to show up * Why long-term investing offers a powerful analogy for growth and development * How all-or-nothing thinking can sabotage consistency * The relationship between perfectionism and procrastination * Why leaders often overvalue credentials and undervalue practice * How organizations can move beyond one-time retreats and workshops to make development part of their weekly rhythm * Why becoming isn't something that happens after the practice, becoming is the result of the practice The challenge: Consider an area of your life where you want a different result. Instead of asking, "What do I need to do more intensely?" Ask: "What could I do more consistently?" Not perfectly. Consistently. What's the action small enough that you could repeat it even on an ordinary Tuesday? Maybe especially on an ordinary Tuesday. Remember: Intensity can create a moment. Consistency creates momentum. Consistency builds trust.
 Consistency builds capability.
 Consistency builds culture.
 Consistency compounds. And over enough ordinary days, consistency doesn't just change what you accomplish. It changes who you become. Research & Resources: Fidelity Investments — The Cost of Missing the Market's Best Days
 Fidelity's analysis illustrates the potential cost of trying to time the market. A hypothetical $10,000 investment in the S&P 500 held from 1988 through 2025 would have grown to $616,013; missing only the five best market days would have reduced that value to $380,479—a 38% reduction in gains. https://www.fidelity.com/viewpoints/investing-ideas/six-tips Phillippa Lally et al. — "How Are Habits Formed: Modelling Habit Formation in the Real World"
 European Journal of Social Psychology (2010). Lally and colleagues studied habit formation over 12 weeks and found that repeating a behavior in a consistent context increased automaticity over time. Importantly, missing a single opportunity to perform the behavior did not materially affect the habit-formation process. https://doi.org/10.1002/ejsp.674 K. Anders Ericsson — "Deliberate Practice and Acquisition of Expert Performance: A General Overview"
 Academic Emergency Medicine (2008). Ericsson's work challenges the idea that expertise is simply the product of accumulated experience and explores the role of deliberate, repeated practice in developing expert performance. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1553-2712.2008.00227.x

    Consistency Compounds: Why We Overvalue Intensity

  6. Aug 17

    Bring a Brick, Not a Cathedral: Leadership Lessons from Improv with Dr. Michael Smith

    What can improv teach us about leadership, communication, empathy, and courage? In this episode of the Growth Edge Leadership Podcast, Laurie is joined by Dr. Michael Smith, an academic hospitalist, medical educator, and founder of Healthcare Improv. What began as an unexpected gift of improv classes became an entirely new dimension of Mike’s work and a powerful way to practice the human skills that matter most in medicine and leadership. Mike shares why improv is far more than comedy. At its core, it provides a low-stakes environment to deliberately practice listening, empathy, adaptability, vulnerability, and connection, skills that become especially important when the stakes are high. Laurie and Mike explore the improv principle of “Yes, And,” why connection doesn’t require agreement, and how learning to “bring a brick, not a cathedral” changes the way we collaborate with patients, colleagues, and teams. They also discuss why practicing these skills can cause others to see us as leaders even when we don’t hold formal authority, and how great leadership ultimately helps create more leaders. The conversation also explores Mike’s unexpected journey into improv, the courage required to step into discomfort, and an important leadership challenge: doing what the situation demands, not simply what we’re already good at. Key Takeaways * Improv is less about being funny and more about practicing listening, empathy, adaptability, and connection. * Communication is a skill, and like any skill, it improves through deliberate practice, not simply through acquiring more knowledge. * “Bring a brick, not a cathedral” is an invitation to contribute your perspective without needing to control the entire solution. * “Yes, And” doesn’t require agreement. It means acknowledging the reality or perspective in front of you and finding a productive way to build from it. * Strong communication skills can cause others to see and trust you as a leader, even when you don’t hold a formal leadership title. * Leadership is a team sport. The goal isn’t simply to contribute your own best ideas, but to create conditions that allow others to contribute theirs. * Courage and vulnerability can be practiced in low-stakes environments so those skills are available when the stakes are high. * Growth requires becoming willing to do what the situation demands, not simply what you’re already good at. * Great leaders don’t just become better leaders themselves. They help create more leaders. Connect with Dr. Michael Smith Healthcare Improv
 Healthcare Improv Dr. Michael Smith on LinkedIn
 Connect with Mike on LinkedIn Research & Resources Mentioned Dr. Helen Riess | Empathy and Relational Skills in Healthcare
 Dr. Helen Riess’s research has demonstrated that empathy and relational skills can be taught and strengthened through deliberate training. In a randomized controlled trial of 99 residents and fellows, physicians who received a neuroscience-informed empathy curriculum showed greater improvement in patient-rated empathy than controls. Explore Dr. Riess’s work at Empathetics Dr. Belinda Fu & Katie Watson | Medical Improv
 Watson K, Fu B. Medical Improv: A Novel Approach to Teaching Communication and Professionalism Skills. Annals of Internal Medicine. 2016;165(8):591–592. doi:10.7326/M15-2239. View the article on PubMed

    Bring a Brick, Not a Cathedral: Leadership Lessons from Improv with Dr. Michael Smith

  7. Aug 10

    Building What Was Missing: Human Skills That Shape Great Physicians with Dr. Jennifer Soung

    Medical school teaches us how to diagnose disease. It rarely teaches us how to lead people. In this episode, Laurie sits down with dermatologist, clinical researcher, and LEADderm founder Dr. Jennifer Soung for a conversation about the leadership lessons that transform great clinicians into exceptional leaders. Jennifer shares the pivotal experiences that revealed a gap in her own training, the inspiration behind creating LEADderm, and why she believes leadership is less about titles and authority than it is about curiosity, humility, and human connection. Together, Laurie and Jennifer explore why so many physicians are searching for deeper purpose, how intentional community can combat the isolation of modern medicine, and why the future of healthcare depends not only on advancing technology, but on strengthening the uniquely human skills that AI can never replace. Whether you're an emerging leader or a seasoned executive, this conversation offers practical insights and an encouraging reminder that leadership isn't about having all the answers. It's about continually becoming. In this episode, you'll learn: * Why clinical expertise alone isn't enough for today's physicians. * The leadership gap that inspired the creation of LEADderm. * How intentional community creates deeper learning than traditional conferences. * The human skills that have the greatest influence on a physician's career. * Why humility, curiosity, and vulnerability build trust rather than diminish credibility. * How defining your values provides "strong ground" during uncertainty. * Why leadership is ultimately about helping others thrive. Connect with Dr. Jennifer Soung Learn more about LEADderm and this year's conference:
https://www.leadderm.org    Learn more about Dr. Jennifer Soung:
http://www.jennifersoungmd.com    Connect with Laurie Baedke Website: https://www.lauriebaedke.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauriebaedke If you enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with a colleague who believes leadership is a skill worth developing.

    Building What Was Missing: Human Skills That Shape Great Physicians with Dr. Jennifer Soung

  8. Aug 3

    Success Hides the Process. Why Authentic Leaders Occasionally Reveal It.

    Success has a way of making the journey invisible. We see the accomplished physician leader, the respected CEO, the department chair, the entrepreneur, or the keynote speaker. We see confidence. We see success. What we rarely see are the manuscript rejections, the failed interviews, the difficult conversations, the moments of self-doubt, and the countless revisions that shaped them along the way. In this solo episode, Laurie explores why authentic leadership isn't about appearing flawless, it's about knowing when to thoughtfully pull back the curtain. Drawing from executive coaching conversations with healthcare leaders, leadership research, and practical experience, Laurie discusses how appropriately sharing our own learning process can build trust, normalize growth, and give others permission to keep becoming. You'll learn: * Why so many accomplished leaders quietly struggle with imposter syndrome * The difference between authentic vulnerability and oversharing * How trust, not perfection, is the foundation of leadership influence * Why people don't need perfect leaders, they need believable ones * How sharing parts of your own journey can create hope for those following behind you * A simple question every leader should ask before sharing a personal story If success hides the process, authentic leaders occasionally reveal it, not to draw attention to themselves, but to remind others that becoming is often messy, and that excellence is built, not inherited. Key Takeaway: The greatest gift authentic leaders give isn't the illusion that they've arrived, it's the confidence for someone else to keep becoming. Memorable Quotes from this Episode * "Success hides the process. Authentic leaders occasionally reveal it." * "Trust is the goal. Vulnerability is simply one way we get there." * "Leadership isn't about arriving. It's about continually becoming." * "People aren't asking whether you're perfect. They're asking whether you're real." * "Most people only see the front of the tapestry. Authentic leaders occasionally show them the underside." * "The question isn't, 'How do people see you?' The better question is, 'How do people see themselves after spending time with you?'" * "Hope sounds like this: If they became, maybe I can too." Suggested resources or cited research: Gallup - How to Engage Frontline Managers - https://www.gallup.com/workplace/395210/engage-frontline-managers.aspx Harvard Business Review - Building Everyday Bravery - https://hbr.org/2025/07/building-everyday-bravery

    Success Hides the Process. Why Authentic Leaders Occasionally Reveal It.
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