The Secret Lives of Games

The Secret Lives of Games

Candid conversations with game creators that dive deep into the art, craft, and process of making games.

  1. All Systems Brough - 868-HACK

    12/19/2025

    All Systems Brough - 868-HACK

    We're joined by Shawn Alexander Allen (Beatdown City Survivors), Cole Wehrle (Root), and Drew Wehrle (Pax Pamir) to discuss the first title in our year-long exploration of the work of Michael Brough: 868-HACK. Next Month: Vertex Dispenser   Audio edited by Dylan Shumway   Discussed in this episode:   868-HACK https://868-hack.neocities.org/  Michael Brough's Website https://www.smestorp.com/  XPerience Studios https://xperiencestudios.org/ "King Me": A Defense of King-Making in Board Game Design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UraJElx1ebg Leder Games https://ledergames.com/ Wehrlegig Games https://wehrlegig.com/  7-Day Roguelike Jam blog post https://mightyvision.blogspot.com/2013/03/7drl-day-2.html  868-HACK Release Trailer (2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMH-yDR35lI  PRACTICE 2013: Michael Brough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4iswqa8r-Q  Michael Brough on balancing prog costs: https://mightyvision.blogspot.com/2014/06/868-hack-prog-costs.html  Michael Brough on streak scoring https://mightyvision.blogspot.com/2013/05/score-conditions.html  https://mightyvision.blogspot.com/2017/09/streak-scoring-redux.html  James Lantz on 868-HACK https://web.archive.org/web/20160531060339/https://www.decisionproblem.com/inmachinam/?p=175  Dewan https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/439742/dewan  Zaynation Complete UFO50 Alternate History Voicemails https://discord.com/channels/690388280767807518/1298414011368607796/1440018452050870385  Michael OBlivion tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R92zN2899s&t=586s  Rock Paper Shotgun 868-HACK Review (2015) https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/868-hack-review-pc  Michael Brough on passive vs active abilities https://mightyvision.blogspot.com/2013/05/uniform-activations.html  Vivafringe blog post on 868-HACK Secret Level and Good vs. Bad Secrets https://vivafringe.wordpress.com/2017/07/20/lets-spoil-868-hacks-secret-level-and-talk-about-good-secrets-vs-bad-secrets/  Beatdown City Survivors https://store.steampowered.com/app/3383040/Beatdown_City_Survivors/ Molly House & John Company Reprinting https://john-company-molly-house-reprint.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders  Michael Brough on Plan B design notes https://mightyvision.blogspot.com/2017/07/planb-notes.html  Brick101 - new Steam guide for Powerups https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3577171247  Spawn count chart: https://discord.com/channels/690388280767807518/1418970536137981962/1425545294032146494  https://secretlives.games/  https://discord.gg/tslog https://www.patreon.com/tslog

    2h 7m
  2. Into the Depths: Caves of Qud Finale

    11/26/2025

    Into the Depths: Caves of Qud Finale

    We're proud to present the final installment of our over-a-year-long Into the Depths series on Caves of Qud, as well as our last episode with our recently retired Eggplant branding. Caves of Qud is a massive open-world roguelike RPG that has been in development since 2007 and Early Access since 2015, and we give it an appropriately epic sendoff with nearly four hours of deep discussion. Doug and Rob, joined by special guest host Star St. Germain, dive into the game's finale and overarching themes with narrative designer Caelyn Sandel and co-creators Jason Grinblat and Brian Bucklew. Be warned, major spoilers await: We discuss the aftermath of the Tomb of the Eaters, the Moon Stair, the [Redacted], Reclamation, We Are [Redacted], plus other juicy details about how this legendary game finally came to an end… and what's in store for it next. Audio edited by Dylan Shumway. Discussed in this episode: Brian's must-follow bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/unormal.bsky.social Warm static – Official Caves of Qud wiki https://wiki.cavesofqud.com/wiki/Warm_static Independent Games Summit: What Even is 1.0?: Indefinite Early Access and Live Development https://gdcvault.com/play/1035081/Independent-Games-Summit-What-Even End-to-End Procedural Generation in Caves of Qud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV-DZqdKlnE Tile-Based Map Generation using Wave Function Collapse in 'Caves of Qud' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdCgi9E90jw  Caves of Qud Discord https://discord.com/invite/cavesofqud Eris – Girsh Illustration https://www.reddit.com/r/cavesofqud/comments/1n449aw/girsh_qas_and_qon/ A Mythopoetic Interface Reading of Caves of Qud (Roguelike Celebration 2025) https://www.youtube.com/live/UQNfH9pKWd4?si=jFy9VTRZzLPJHn4W&t=1091  Sproggiwood https://store.steampowered.com/app/311720/Sproggiwood/ Slav Epic Paintings by Alphonse Mucha https://www.muchafoundation.org/en/gallery/themes/theme/slav-epic https://secretlives.games/  https://bsky.app/profile/secretlivesofgames.bsky.social https://www.youtube.com/eggplantshow  http://discord.gg/tslog https://www.patreon.com/tslog (full rebrand still in progress, lol)

    3h 54m
  3. All Systems Brough - Introduction

    11/21/2025

    All Systems Brough - Introduction

    We're joined by Frank Lantz (Q-UP) and Mare Sheppard + Raigan Burns of Metanet (N++) for the first episode of All Systems Brough, a year-long exploration of the work of Michael Brough. We share our thoughts on why Michael's oeuvre demands a deep dive, add some historical context, and share the plan for the year ahead. We also introduce a (final?) rebrand to the podcast! Next episode: 868-HACK (it's also recommended that you start playing Vesper.5 now to prepare for later)  (Tentative) Episode/play order: 868-HACK Vertex Dispenser Zaga-33 Vesper.5 Corrypt Kompendium (plus digital archiving of O) BECOME A GREAT ARTIST IN JUST 10 SECONDS Helix (plus SMESPORT) Imbroglio Cinco Paus P1 Select (plus Quinzena maybe?) & Broughlike Game Jam Games 868-BACK (caveat: still in development) Audio edited by Dylan Shumway   Discussed in this episode:   Michael Brough's Website https://www.smestorp.com/  Michael O'Blivion's Youtube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@michael_oblivion  Flock https://annapurnainteractive.com/en/games/flock  Wilmot's Warehouse Boardgame https://www.cmyk.games/products/wilmot Q-UP https://store.steampowered.com/app/3730790/QUP/ Donkeyspace (Frank's Substack) https://franklantz.substack.com/  The Beauty of Games https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262552950/the-beauty-of-games/   Metanet Software https://www.metanetsoftware.com/about-us  N++ https://nplusplus.org/  PRACTICE 2015: Mare Sheppard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBCDeMl4VwY   FTL https://subsetgames.com/ftl.html  Sylvie's Games https://sylvie.website/  A wild start, 41 points with no artifacts! (Cinco Paus LP ep 1) by vivafringe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8xXBwAdG4  Droqen's website https://www.droqen.com/   Raigan's bluesky (will give away free copies of Cinco Paus on Christmas!) https://bsky.app/profile/raiganburns.bsky.social   Q-UP OST https://kariomart.bandcamp.com/album/q-up-ost  868-HACK (Steam) https://store.steampowered.com/app/274700/868HACK/ Vesper.5  https://mightyvision.blogspot.com/2012/08/vesper5.html  https://www.youtube.com/@thesecretlivesofgames https://discord.com/invite/tslog https://www.patreon.com/tslog

    2h 2m
  4. 149: Making A Meal Of It with Jenny Jiao Hsia and AP Thomson (Consume Me)

    11/07/2025

    149: Making A Meal Of It with Jenny Jiao Hsia and AP Thomson (Consume Me)

    Rob, Sarah, and Doug chat with Jenny Jiao Hsia and AP Thomson about Consume Me, an award-winning autobiographical resource-management RPG about the pressure cooker of young adulthood. We discuss the game's ten-year development cycle, balancing dynamic difficulty in a game about overachievement, the complex dynamics of mining your own story, and more! Heads up: This episode includes discussion of disordered eating and religious upbringing. Audio edited by Dylan Shumway. Mentioned in this episode: Consume Me https://hexecutable.itch.io/consume-me https://store.steampowered.com/app/2359120/Consume_Me/ Prototyping Personal Experience – Jenny's talk at A MAZE 2017 https://youtu.be/iQ-PaGTr-iI?si=RIAWQMFZfMWCVCsN Papers Please by Lucas Pope https://papersplea.se/ Nina Freeman's games on itch.io https://starmaidgames.itch.io/ Triad by Anna Anthropy https://w.itch.io/triad Reigns by Nerial https://www.reignsgame.com/reigns  Long Live the Queen by Hanako Games https://hanakogames.itch.io/long-live-the-queen  Perfect Tides by Meredith Gran https://granulac.itch.io/perfect-tides Look Back (movie) https://www.amazon.com/Look-Back-Kiyotaka-Oshiyama/dp/B0DH5DMSRW Look Back (manga) https://www.viz.com/look-back Jenny's TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@q_dork AP's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/bad_tetris/   https://eggplant.show/  https://discord.gg/eggplant  https://www.patreon.com/eggplantshow  https://www.youtube.com/eggplantshow

    1h 38m
  5. 10/10/2025

    Digging Deep with The Roottrees are Dead

    Laura chats with Jeremy Johnston and Robin Ward about The Roottrees are Dead, their genealogy, murder-mystery, "static deduction" game. We discuss the development process of taking a jam prototype to full release, developing hints and systems that lead players to satisfying discoveries, and the taxonomy of games like The Roottrees are Dead and The Return of the Obra Dinn. Spoilers abound, so consider playing the game first before tuning in. Audio edited by Dylan Shumway   Discussed in this episode: The Roottrees are Dead (Steam) https://store.steampowered.com/app/2754380/The_Roottrees_are_Dead/   The Roottrees are Dead (itch.io – Global Game Jam entry) https://jjohnstongames.itch.io/the-roottrees-are-dead  Return of the Obra Dinn https://store.steampowered.com/app/653530/Return_of_the_Obra_Dinn/  Outer Wilds https://store.steampowered.com/app/753640/Outer_Wilds/  Her Story https://store.steampowered.com/app/368370/Her_Story/  Family https://owlskip-games.itch.io/family  Type Help https://william-rous.itch.io/type-help  The Rise of the Golden Idol https://store.steampowered.com/app/2716400/The_Rise_of_the_Golden_Idol/  Blue Prince https://store.steampowered.com/app/1569580/Blue_Prince/  Severance https://tv.apple.com/us/show/severance/umc.cmc.1srk2goyh2q2zdxcx605w8vtx  White Lotus https://www.max.com/shows/white-lotus/14f9834d-bc23-41a8-ab61-5c8abdbea505 Righteous Gemstones https://www.max.com/shows/righteous-gemstones/c3bd0a34-c4ce-4ca5-bd6c-820df7340671  Announcement: Eggplant Plays De Mol (2025 Season) https://eggplant.show/announcing-eggplant-plays-de-mol-2025-season  The Genius (Korean Game Show) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Genius_(TV_series)  Robin Ward's blog (links to socials included) https://eviltrout.com/  The Roottrees are Dead Discord server https://discord.com/invite/Z6Y5sE9Dgt  https://eggplant.show/ https://discord.gg/eggplant https://www.patreon.com/eggplantshow

    1h 18m
  6. EP: A Year of UFO 50 - Epilogue: Final developer interview

    09/26/2025

    EP: A Year of UFO 50 - Epilogue: Final developer interview

    We're joined by (most of) the developers of UFO 50 - Derek Yu, Jon Perry, Eirik Suhrke, Tyriq Plummer, and Paul Hubans - to close out our series with a project-spanning discussion of their development process, how they're feeling a year out from launch, and so much more. Next week: Who knows?? Audio edited by Dylan Shumway Discussed in this episode: 868-HACK https://868-hack.neocities.org/  Eggplant: The Secret Lives of Games Presents: A Year of UFO 50 Finale Eggstravaganza - LIVE! Recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTHuGIU3wRI  Eggplant Merch! https://cottonbureau.com/people/eggplant-the-secret-lives-of-games-podcast   A Year of Block Koala https://redcircle.com/shows/4e5322d3-2ea6-42dc-bfb3-18a427384a68 Roguelike Celebration 2025 (Including Fireside Chat with Jon Perry!) https://www.roguelike.club/event2025.html   Time Barons https://www.time-barons.com/about.html   Middleditch and Schwartz https://www.middleditchandschwartz.com/  SPONTANEANATION with Paul F. Tompkins https://www.earwolf.com/show_archive/spontaneanation-with-paul-f-tompkins-archive/  Scrubbin' Trubble (Tyriq's upcoming game) https://scrubbintrubble.com/ Madhouse (Paul's upcoming game) https://store.steampowered.com/app/3727130/MADHOUSE/   UFO 50 Physical Edition https://www.fangamer.com/products/ufo-50-game-nintendo-switch-deluxe-edition  https://www.youtube.com/eggplantshow  http://discord.gg/eggplant  https://www.patreon.com/eggplantshow

    2h 12m
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