Disarming Leviathan Podcast

Caleb E. Campbell
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The Disarming Leviathan Podcast features interviews with Christian leaders, authors and scholars that will give you a better understanding of American Christian Nationalism and equip you with tools to reach Christian Nationalists as a mission field. disarmingleviathan.substack.com

  1. 22h ago

    God, Violence, and American Power w/ Dru Johnson

    The Bible contains disturbing stories of conquest, judgment, and violence. How should Christians make sense of these passages, especially when biblical texts are being paired with images of missiles, military campaigns, and calls to destroy contemporary enemies? In this episode, biblical scholar Dru Johnson helps us approach these texts within the world of the Bible itself. Dru argues that Scripture’s violence cannot be separated from its concern for oppression, exploitation, and the protection of vulnerable people. And he invites comfortable American Christians to listen to believers around the world whose experiences with violence and injustice may help us hear these texts differently. The conversation then turns to what these texts mean for Christians today. Dru cautions against moving too quickly from ancient Israel to confident declarations about whom America should bomb, invade, or destroy. Instead, biblical wisdom should produce humility about the limits of our knowledge, greater caution about state violence, and deeper attention to the people and places where we actually have responsibility. Rather than assuming Scripture gives us easy answers to every geopolitical conflict, Dru invites us to become people capable of discerning what is wise and loving in the places God has actually put us. About Dru Johnson Dru Johnson is a biblical scholar and professor at Hope College who studies the intellectual world of Scripture and how biblical authors understood knowledge, wisdom, ritual, and human flourishing. He is the author of Biblical Philosophy: A Hebraic Approach to the Old and New Testaments, Scripture’s Knowing, Knowledge by Ritual, and What Hath Darwin to Do with Scripture? He also directs the Center for Hebraic Thought and hosts The Biblical Mind podcast, where he explores how the biblical authors approach complex questions about human life and society. Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe

    God, Violence, and American Power w/ Dru Johnson

  2. Oct 8

    Christian Nationalism and the Politics of Jesus w/ Matthew Taylor

    What does it mean to follow Jesus when political leaders invoke Christianity to justify power, domination, and violence? In this episode, Matthew D. Taylor returns to the podcast to discuss his new book, Defying Tyrants. Matthew argues that Jesus was neither politically disengaged nor interested in seizing Caesar’s power for himself. Instead, Jesus modeled a radically different politics, one that rejected domination, cared for people suffering under empire, and confronted political and religious authorities without adopting their methods. We trace what happened when Christianity moved from the margins of the Roman Empire to the halls of power under Constantine and how the logic of Christendom continues to shape Christian Nationalism today. Matthew also explores the biblical language of “antichrists,” arguing that it can help Christians recognize forms of Christianity that invoke Jesus while pursuing power in ways contrary to Jesus. And we consider what faithful Christian resistance might look like today: caring for those harmed by political power, challenging the misuse of Jesus’ name, and resisting authoritarianism without becoming authoritarian ourselves. Matthew D. Taylor is a scholar of religion whose work focuses on Christian Nationalism, political theology, and the relationship between Christianity and political power. He is the author of The Violent Take It by Force: The Christian Movement That Is Threatening Our Democracy and the new book Defying Tyrants, which examines Jesus' response to authoritarian power and what it means for Christians today. He also writes contemporary analysis at Matthew D. Taylor's Reckonings and is a frequent commentator on religion, politics, and Christian Nationalism. Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe

    Christian Nationalism and the Politics of Jesus w/ Matthew Taylor

  3. Sep 24

    Violent Psalms and the Longing for Justice w/ Trevor Laurence

    What do we do with the Psalms that ask God to judge, punish, and even destroy enemies? And what happens when Christians take those prayers and use them to justify violence against political opponents, other nations, or people they believe threaten America? In this episode, biblical theologian Trevor Laurence helps us understand the imprecatory Psalms within the larger story of Scripture. Rather than dismissing these difficult prayers, Trevor shows how they give voice to people suffering under violence and oppression who are crying out for God to intervene and make things right. But these Psalms cannot simply be taken from ancient Israel and turned into prayers against our contemporary political enemies. Trevor explains how Jesus transforms our understanding of conquest, judgment, and God’s kingdom. The church advances God’s kingdom not through military power or state coercion, but through witness, baptism, discipleship, perseverance, and peace. And when Christians pray for justice, these Psalms should turn our attention toward Jesus, confront our own sin, and challenge the temptation to assume that God is always on our political side. Trevor Laurence is a biblical theologian, author, and Executive Director of the Cateclesia Institute. His work focuses especially on biblical theology, the Psalms, prayer, justice, and the church's worship. He is the author of Cursing with God: The Imprecatory Psalms and the Ethics of Christian Prayer and Reading the Psalms Theologically. His work helps Christians wrestle faithfully with some of Scripture's most difficult prayers while locating them within the larger biblical story centered on Jesus. Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe

    Violent Psalms and the Longing for Justice w/ Trevor Laurence

  4. Sep 17

    Holy War? Reading Joshua in an Age of Christian Nationalism w/ Matthew Lynch

    The Bible contains a lot of violence. But what are Christians supposed to do with stories of conquest, divine judgment, and commands to destroy Israel’s enemies, especially when those texts are used to justify American military power or Christian Nationalist politics? In this episode, Old Testament scholar Matthew Lynch helps us slow down and read these difficult passages more carefully. He argues that Joshua is far more complicated than a simple blueprint for holy war. In fact, the book repeatedly disrupts easy categories of who is “us” and who is “them,” turns Israel’s attention toward the idols within its own community, and challenges attempts to enlist God in our political causes. Together, we explore how ancient Israel understood warfare, why commands of conquest cannot simply be copied and pasted into the modern world, and what these difficult texts might actually be trying to form in God’s people. Matt offers a reading of Joshua that calls Christians toward deeper discipleship, self-examination, and exclusive loyalty to God rather than providing religious cover for nationalism, military expansion, or political violence. About Matthew Lynch Matthew Lynch is an Old Testament scholar at Regent College whose work focuses on biblical theology, violence in Scripture, and the Old Testament’s vision of God and humanity. He is the author of Flood and Fury: Old Testament Violence and the Shalom of God and hosts the OnScript podcast. Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe

    Holy War? Reading Joshua in an Age of Christian Nationalism w/ Matthew Lynch

  5. Sep 10

    The Narrative Beneath Christian Nationalism w/ Soong-Chan Rah

    Note: We experienced some technical difficulties during this recording. We cleaned it up as best we could, but you may hear an occasional echo. What happens after Christian nationalism begins to lose its grip? In this episode, Soong-Chan Rah argues that defeating a political movement is not enough because the deeper narratives that gave it life can simply take new forms. Drawing on theology, history, and pastoral wisdom, we explore how stories shape our imaginations, how Christian practices can either reinforce or resist unhealthy political identities, and why the church's calling is not to win the next culture war but to cultivate communities of lament, repentance, healing, and hope. Rather than replacing one political ideology with another, Dr. Rah invites Christians to embrace the self-emptying way of Jesus and participate in the slow work of forming a new imagination rooted in the Kingdom of God. Dr. Soong-Chan Rah is the author of numerous influential books, including Prophetic Lament, The Next Evangelicalism, Many Colors, and Return to Justice. In this conversation, he explores the deeper narratives that give rise to Christian nationalism and argues that lasting renewal requires more than political change. Instead, he calls the church to recover practices of worship, lament, community, and self-giving love that reshape our imaginations around the story of Jesus rather than the stories of power and grievance. Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe

    The Narrative Beneath Christian Nationalism w/ Soong-Chan Rah

  6. Sep 3

    Biblical Violence & Political Violence w/ Charlie Trimm

    Why does the Old Testament contain so much violence, and what does it reveal about the character of God? In this episode, Charlie Trimm helps us wrestle with some of Scripture’s most difficult passages, from Joshua’s conquest of Canaan to the prophetic calls for justice. Rather than presenting a God driven by wrath alone, Charlie shows how these texts consistently portray a God committed to justice, opposed to idolatry and oppression, and equally willing to judge his own people when they abandon his ways. Together, we explore how these passages point Christians away from self-righteous violence and toward trust, humility, and faithful discipleship. Charlie Trimm is Professor of Biblical and Religious Studies at Talbot School of Theology and an Old Testament scholar specializing in warfare, violence, and the theology of the Hebrew Bible. His research examines difficult biblical texts within their ancient Near Eastern context while helping modern readers understand their theological significance. He is the author of The Destruction of the Canaanites and is currently writing a commentary on Exodus. Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe

    Biblical Violence & Political Violence w/ Charlie Trimm

  7. Aug 27

    Disarming Revelation w/ David Mathewson

    The book of Revelation is often treated as a roadmap for the end times, a justification for violence, or a source of fear. But what if its central message is something entirely different? In this episode, David Mathewson helps us read Revelation through its own imagery, showing how the slain Lamb, not the beast, stands at the center of the story. Together we explore divine justice, the symbolic nature of Revelation's battle scenes, why Babylon continues to speak to every age, and how the book calls Christians to faithful witness, sacrificial love, and hope rather than anxiety. David Mathewson is a New Testament scholar whose research focuses on the book of Revelation, biblical theology, and apocalyptic literature. Through both academic and accessible writing, David helps Christians recover Revelation's original purpose: not to fuel speculation or fear, but to strengthen the church's worship, perseverance, and faithful witness in a world shaped by competing kingdoms. Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe

    Disarming Revelation w/ David Mathewson

  8. Aug 13

    Understanding Violence in the Bible w/ Andy Judd

    Violence in the Bible often leaves believers disoriented—how do we reconcile the raw, gritty realism of biblical stories with our understanding of a loving God? Andy Judd unpacks the genre, history, and cultural context behind biblically violent moments, revealing that these accounts depict a world that's "not the way it’s meant to be." He explains how the Bible’s violence reflects real-world conflict, highlighting God's perseverance and love amid chaos, and urges us to see Scripture through the lens of Jesus, who embodies love, justice, and patience in a broken world. In this episode, you'll discover why the Bible’s violent scenes are historically grounded rather than recommendations; how ancient cultural norms influence these stories; and why understanding God’s character is key to interpreting them today. Andy breaks down complex topics such as divine judgment, biblical law, and the apocalyptic language of Revelation, clarifying how believers can responsibly engage with these texts. Perfect for anyone feeling confused or challenged by biblical violence, this conversation invites you to see Scripture as a story of hope—a cosmic battle already won by the Lamb, not a human tool for justification. About Andy Judd (andyjudd.com) Andrew is an ordained Anglican minister who joined the faculty at Ridley College Melbourne in 2018. Prior to moving to Melbourne he worked with students at St Barnabas Broadway and in the residential colleges of Sydney University. In 2017 he followed his wife Steph (who is also an Anglican minister) to Melbourne to take up roles at City on a Hill Melbourne, where he served as Community Pastor. Andrew teaches Old Testament, Hermeneutics and Biblical Theology, and is passionate about helping students grow in their confidence handling the whole Bible as God’s message to us. Andrew has recently completed his PhD on biblical hermeneutics through Sydney University, specifically focusing on Hans-Georg Gadamer’s phenomenology of play, Christian interpretation of the Hebrew scriptures, and why smart people seem to keep disagreeing on what the Bible means. Get full access to Disarming Leviathan at disarmingleviathan.substack.com/subscribe

    Understanding Violence in the Bible w/ Andy Judd
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The Disarming Leviathan Podcast features interviews with Christian leaders, authors and scholars that will give you a better understanding of American Christian Nationalism and equip you with tools to reach Christian Nationalists as a mission field. disarmingleviathan.substack.com

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  • Creator
    Caleb E. Campbell
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    129
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    © Caleb E. Campbell
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