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Amy Odell
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Fashion, style, celebrity and culture. Insider knowledge. Outsider honesty. Humor included.

  1. 23H AGO

    The Real Story: JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette

    Amy Odell sits down with Liz McNeil and RoseMarie Terenzio, authors of JFK Jr.: An Intimate Oral Biography, to discuss the real romance between Carolyn Bessette and JFK Jr. that inspired the FX show Love Story, executive-produced by Ryan Murphy. Terenzio assisted JFK Jr. in the 90s at George magazine, and McNeil covered him as an editor for People. For their book, they interviewed more than 150 people who knew him. They share personal encounters with the couple and people in their inner circle, talk about what John would have made of the frenzy over his style today, and explain what in 'Love Story' is pure fiction. PART TWO, including discussion of how the Kennedy family deals with relentless press and the REAL reason for that famous fight in the park, is available to Premium subscribers of ⁠Back Row. Sign up at backrow.net for full podcast and newsletter access, or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. CHAPTERS 00:00 Why everyone is talking about JFK Jr. and Carolyn again 01:25 What the FX show “Love Story” gets right (and wrong) 06:10 Why Gen Z is suddenly obsessed with them 07:10 The truth about JFK Jr.’s style 12:10 What drew John and Carolyn together 21:00 What Carolyn Bessette was really like 29:30 Carolyn’s struggle with paparazzi 35:30 The iconic wedding dress 39:15 What the show said about the famous park fight Links & Resources: Partner message: Go to beehiiv and use the code AMY30 to get 30 percent off a subscription. Get RoseMarie and Liz's book: JFK Jr.: An Intimate Oral Biography Sign up for the Back Row newsletter Follow Amy Odell on Instagram Follow Liz McNeil on Instagram Follow Rosemarie Terenzio on Instagram This episode was produced by Amy Odell, with audio editing by Joyce Ciesil and video editing by Jonathan Voytko. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    41 min

  2. 1D AGO • SUBSCRIBERS ONLY

    The Real Story Behind JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette Kennedy's Famous Fight

    This is PART TWO of Amy's chat with JFK Jr. biographers Liz McNeil and RoseMarie Terenzio, author of ⁠JFK Jr.: An Intimate Oral Biography⁠ (https://amzn.to/4ueOTWi). They talk about what RoseMarie remembers and their sources revealed about what really caused their infamous fight in Battery Park (which is different from how Love Story depicted it) (00:20). Also, how Carolyn felt when John proposed and then denied it to the public (02:50), Jack Schlossberg's comments slamming Ryan Murphy and the show (12:20), and the state of marriage preceding their fatal 1999 plane crash (17:20).

    20 min

  3. 4D AGO • SUBSCRIBERS ONLY

    Retail Confessions: Hermès Beverly Hills

    Amy's husband Rick is back to serve as the voice of "Retail Confessions"! In this installment, Amy talks to a former employee of the Hermès boutique in Beverly Hills (interview begins at 2:21) about what selling Kelly bags to über wealthy clients there was really like — and which celebrity the brand denied a bag. Amy finishes with a Paris Fashion Week-focused "Loose Threads" news roundup (13:01), including the hits and the misses so far.

    17 min

  4. 4D AGO

    Dior Review: Can Jonathan Anderson Cure the 'Luxury Ick'?

    Paris Fashion Week is off and running. Jonathan Anderson's fall 2026 Dior show kicked off the week — and Amy liked it a lot more than she expected! She reads her review of the show from the Back Row newsletter, which discusses how fashion has become mass culture and why designers like Anderson need to reach aspirational shoppers. She ends with the "Loose Threads" news roundup, featuring Condé Nast offloading 'Them,' and more. PLUS, a teaser from Monday's interview with JFK Jr.'s biographers (8:45), inspired by the FX show Love Story. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    10 min

  5. MAR 2

    The Secret Rules of the Hermès Game: Who Actually Gets a Birkin?

    Amy sits down with Noëmie Leclercq of luxury news outlet Glitz Paris to debate the "Hermès game" (aka everything customers allegedly have to do in order for boutiques to offer them the chance to purchase a Birkin or Kelly bag). They discuss pre-spends, background checks, and Hermès’ apparent alliance with Lauren Sánchez Bezos. Noëmie also talks about why superfakes have become a big problem; how the class action lawsuit in the U.S. has affected Hermès sales practices; and the secret “grey market” where billionaires buy the most exclusive bags. In Part 2, Noëmie and Amy discuss whether or not the Birkin bubble has popped, why the market for "superfakes" is booming, and the (grim) outlook for Birkins on the secondhand market. Part 2 is available to paid subscribers of backrow.net (which includes full newsletter access) or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Chapters 00:00 — Introducing Noëmie Leclercq of Glitz Paris 01:10 — Is Hermès really stalking their clients? 03:00 — Breaking down the Hermès game 05:40 — Hermès locations: US vs. France 06:00 — Who is the ideal Hermès customer? 07:40 — This French law requires Hermès to background check clients 12:10 — The pre-spend: does Hermès really need to sell furniture? 19:00 — What is the grey market for Hermès products? 24:40 — The Hermès lawsuit: how did it change the game? 28:40 — Can the Birkin be overexposed? 30:20 — Listen to part 2 for Noëmie’s take on if the Birkin bubble has popped Links & Resources: Back Row newsletter Amy Odell — Instagram Noëmie Leclercq — Glitz Paris This episode was produced by Amy Odell and edited by Amy Odell, Joyce Ciesel, and Jonathan Voytko. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    31 min

  6. MAR 2 • SUBSCRIBERS ONLY

    The End of the Hermès Illusion?

    In part two of my conversation with Glitz journalist Noëmie Leclerc, we go deeper into the cracks behind the Hermès mystique — from $6,000 “superfakes” made with the same materials Hermès uses (00:35) to the resale glut quietly dragging down Birkin prices (05:58), and whether the Birkin is actually a good investment (04:14). We also talk Gen Z fatigue with “the game” (08:49), the rise of the luxury ick (20:36), and what it says about the state of wealth, aspiration, and power when everyone — real or fake — can carry the same bag (17:23). Read more by Noëmie in Glitz Paris: https://www.glitz.paris/en/tags/noemie-leclercq

    23 min

  7. FEB 27 • SUBSCRIBERS ONLY

    Gucci's AI Slop: Luxury or Just Slop?

    At Milan Fashion Week, Demna staged his first traditional runway show for Gucci — and despite the hype, the clothes didn’t exactly deliver . I break down why the spectacle may have outpaced the product, from Tom Ford references to “Lauren Sánchez -core” looks. Then I read from my latest Back Row newsletter, “What’s So Insulting About Gucci’s AI Slop” (2:20) examining Demna’s divisive use of AI marketing, the backlash, and what luxury customers are really paying for in 2026. We get into price hikes from Gucci to Chanel and Hermès, the myth of craftsmanship, and why marketing — not materials — may be the real product . Plus, the Loose Threads news roundup (9:08), including: Maria Grazia Chiuri’s Fendi debut, Mark Zuckerberg at Prada, Instagram’s new affiliate threat, eBay’s Depop layoffs, and rag & bone has ⁠a new pair of sweatpants jeans⁠ (https://go.shopmy.us/p-44829248?utm_campaign=what-s-so-insulting-about-gucci-s-ai-slop&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=www.backrow.net).

    11 min

  8. FEB 23

    Marina Larroudé on Anna Wintour, Barneys, and Building a Multi-Million Dollar Brand

    Amy Odell talks with fashion director-turned-entrepreneur Marina Larroudé about why she left Teen Vogue for Barneys -- and then started her own brand. Marina recalls Style.com's earliest days; how top brands really weren't on board with the internet; what it was really like to work for Anna Wintour; and what she saw from inside the industry that convinced her there was a big business opportunity in footwear. Part 2 is available to paid subscribers at BackRow.net (which includes full newsletter access) or through Apple Podcasts or Spotify. In Part 2, Marina talks about how she makes walkable heels; what it was like for Taylor Swift to wear her shoes on the Eras tour; and her plans for the future of Larroudé. Products mentioned in this episode: ⁠Boat shoes⁠ ⁠Fuzzy lined ballet flat⁠ ⁠Dolly platform sandal⁠ (the same style Taylor Swift wore): ⁠Stella sneaker⁠ CHAPTERS: 00:00 — Introducing Marina Larroudé 03:00 — Why are people so fascinated by Anna Wintour and the Condé Nast world? 05:30 — What does the fashion director at Teen Vogue do? 09:00 — Marina's experience at Style.com 13:30 — The Bella Thorne photoshoot disaster 16:30 — Marina's experience working with Anna Wintour 18:40 — Why Marina left fashion media to work at Barneys 25:10 — On founding Larroudé: "No one was making high-quality shoes for drop-off" 35:00 — How Marina makes Larroudé's shoes comfortable 38:30 — Listen to part 2 for Marina's take on what makes a walkable heel Back Row newsletter Amy Odell - Instagram Marina Larroudé: Instagram Larroudé: Website Instagram TikTok This episode was produced by Amy Odell and edited by Amy Odell, Jonathan Voytko, and Joyce Ciesel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

    39 min
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Fashion, style, celebrity and culture. Insider knowledge. Outsider honesty. Humor included.

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  • Creator
    Amy Odell
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    60
  • Copyright
    © Amy Odell 2025
  • Show Website
    Back Row with Amy Odell
  • Provider
    Amy Odell Inc.

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