Making Therapy Better Bruce Wampold, PhD

Edward R Jones, PhD is a clinical psychologist with years of executive leadership experience in the behavioral healthcare industry, including Vice President roles at Pacific Care Behavioral Health and Value Options. He has worked as a healthcare consultant in connection with both established and start-up companies. In recent years he has focused on health and wellness services, digital health services, and consultation to employers on the economic value of health and productivity.
In this episode, Bruce and Ed talk about the future of behavioral healthcare, and how a new model of trained therapists integrated into the primary care system could help improve access to mental health services, as well as some of the potential pitfalls of the new age of digital therapeutics.
The intro and outro music is the Borromeo String Quartet performing Beethoven's "String Quartet No. 3 in D Major"
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Terri Moyers, PhD is a Professor in the Psychology Department at the University of New Mexico. Her research has focused on the active ingredients of empirically supported interventions for substance use treatments, particularly motivational interviewing. She also has an active line of research investigating therapist characteristics that support more favorable client outcomes. Dr. Moyers has more than 30 peer-reviewed papers in these areas, and has been a keynote speaker and workshop teacher in 11 countries.
William R. (Bill) Miller, PhD is Emeritus Distinguished Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry at the University of New Mexico. Fundamentally interested in the psychology of change, he has published 65 books for public and professional audiences including texts on the method of motivational interviewing that he first described in 1983.
Together, they are the authors of Effective Psychotherapists: Clinical Skills that Improve Client Outcomes
In this episode, Bruce talks with Terri and Bill about empathy as one of the eight skills that they have identified in their book as important for successful therapists. They discuss different understandings of empathy and how it relates to motivational interviewing. They also address the questions of whether empathy is an inherent trait or an acquired skill, whether it can lead to burnout, and the differences between empathy and compassion.
The intro and outro music is the Borromeo String Quartet performing Beethoven's "String Quartet No. 3 in D Major"
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Helene Nissen-Lie is a professor of clinical psychology at the University of Oslo and a practicing psychologist. She participates in a number of research projects in Norway as well as internationally, including collaborations with the University of Sheffield and the University of Chicago. She has published over 50 papers and articles, and her research interests include therapist effects, the therapeutic alliance, mechanisms of change in psychotherapy, and outcomes research, among many others.
In this episode, Bruce talks to Helene about her research and her surprising finding that therapists who expressed more professional self-doubt, which they both agree may be better thought of as "professional humility" end up with better outcomes for their clients. They also talk about some of the applications of measurement-based care and the differences between the Norwegian and American systems of mental-health care.
The intro and outro music is the Borromeo String Quartet performing Beethoven's "String Quartet No. 3 in D Major"
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Robbie Babins-Wagner, PhD has contributed to the mental health field as a clinician, researcher, teacher, and manager. She is CEO of the Calgary Counseling Center, widely recognized as a leading institution in accessible, evidence-based, community mental health care. She is also an adjunct professor in the Faculty of Social Work at the University of Calgary, and serves on the board of directors for PolicyWise. She has conducted leading research on Counseling Outcomes, Social Finance, and Social Innovation, and has received several awards, including the University of Calgary Alumni Achievement Award and the 2017 Grant MacEwan Lifetime Achievement Award.
In this episode, Bruce talks to Robbie about her experience directing the Calgary Counseling Center, specifically about her decision to make Measurement-Based Care mandatory for all clinicians employed at the center and the exciting results that are emerging from their efforts to track client outcomes.
Learn more about the Calgary Counseling Center at https://calgarycounselling.com/
Papers referenced:
Goldberg, S. B., Babins-Wagner, R., Rousmaniere, T., Berzins, S., Hoyt, W. T., Whipple, J. L., Miller, S. D., & Wampold, B. E. (2016). Creating a climate for therapist improvement: A case study of an agency focused on outcomes and deliberate practice. Psychotherapy, 53(3), 367-375. https://doi.org/http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/pst0000060
The intro and outro music is the Borromeo String Quartet performing Beethoven's "String Quartet No. 3 in D Major"
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George Silberschatz, PhD is a licensed psychologist in San Francisco and has been practicing, teaching, and doing research on psychotherapy for over 40 years. He is a clinical professor in the department of psychiatry at University of California San Francisco School of Medicine, a past president of the North American chapter of the Society for Psychotherapy Research, and a past president of the International Society for Psychotherapy Research. He advocates for grounding practice in scientific evidence, as well as grounding research in clinical reality.
In this episode, Bruce and George talk about the divide between researchers and practitioners of psychotherapy and what the two groups can do to help one another. They also discuss the importance of case formulation, and why flexibility is one of the most important characteristics a therapist can have.
Learn more about George and his work at https://georgesilberschatz.com/
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Dr. Jesse Owen is a Professor in the Counseling Psychology Department at the University of Denver. He is a licensed psychologist with clinical specializations including couple and family therapy and multicultural therapy. He holds various positions including lead psychologist at Lifelong, Inc; Research Director for CelestHealth; Senior Research Advisor for SonderMind; Editor for Psychotherapy. He has co-authored three books: Mindfulness-based practices in therapy: A cultural humility approach; Therapists’ cultural humility; and Research design in counseling. He also has over 180 publications/book chapters. His research focuses on process and outcomes of psychotherapy with a focus on therapist expertise and multicultural orientation. His research has been supported by foundations, federal agencies, and private companies (e.g., John Templeton Foundation, NIMH, DHHS-ACF, and SonderMind).
In this episode, Bruce and Jesse talk about the Multicultural Orientation to therapy framework, the challenges that minority populations face in accessing quality mental healthcare, and some things therapists can do to better serve a diverse body of clients.
Read about Jesse’s work at the University of Denver and the Society for Psychotherapy
Learn about MCO at: https://www.multiculturalorientation.com/
The intro and outro music is the Borromeo String Quartet performing Beethoven's "String Quartet No. 3 in D Major"
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