The Special Lists

The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experiences—changes the game. Referral Lab is for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection drives The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you hard-earned wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, each guest sharing their own "special list" from the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape their practices today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com (with two L's!) Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area.   Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.   Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.    He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.    His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. The Special Lists is a production of The Axis theaxis.io

  1. Special List #14: Strategies That Turn Referrals Into Revenue with Dr. Amit Patel

    9H AGO

    Special List #14: Strategies That Turn Referrals Into Revenue with Dr. Amit Patel

    Want to know how one periodontist turned patient-centered care into a thriving, multi-practice powerhouse? Dr. Amit Patel is the founder of ROOT Periodontal and Implant Centers and co-founder of the Center for Oral Pathology, one of the country’s busiest oral medicine practices. Frustrated by slow biopsy results and limited patient access, he and his partner now see 150 new patients a month for oral pathology, TMD, and facial pain. At ROOT, Dr. Patel flipped Dallas’ implant-heavy market with his “We Save Teeth” campaign, promoting LANAP laser surgery as a more affordable alternative. He ditched expensive ads and boosted results through hundreds of referral lunch-and-learns each year. He also shares how AI, Perioscope tech, and smart KPIs streamline care, improve patient intake, and catch hidden revenue leaks that cost practices big. He explains how to leverage customized questionnaires to reveal what patients really want. Hear how Dr. Patel maximizes efficiency, grows revenue, and keeps both patients and doctors happy. Learn how to spot hidden opportunities, improve care, and build a practice that thrives. GUEST Amit Patel, DDS Owner of ROOT Periodontal and Implant Centers, Owner of ROOT Med Spa, and Co-Founder and Managing Partner at Center for Oral Pathology Dr. Amit Patel was born and raised in the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan, and moved to Dallas in 2010. He went to undergrad and dental school at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and did his perio residency at Indiana University in Indianapolis. He is the director of the Seattle Study Club of Dallas and a Coach for the DEO (Dentist Entrepreneur Organization). Learn more about ROOT Periodontal and Implant Centers Learn more about ROOT Med Spa Connect with Amit Patel on LinkedIn Follow ROOT Perio on Instagram @rootperio Follow ROOT Med Spa on Instagram @rootmedspa Learn more about Center for Oral Pathology The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game. Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com  Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability. Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart Engineering: Cameron Laird Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang Cover Art: Dan Childs The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

    51 min
  2. Special List #13: A CEO’s Proven Blueprint for Dental Partnerships That Last with Dr. Jeffrey Burch

    JAN 29

    Special List #13: A CEO’s Proven Blueprint for Dental Partnerships That Last with Dr. Jeffrey Burch

    From Army infantry to dental empire, Dr. Jeffrey Burch explains his formula for building a team that actually sticks. He’s a periodontist, former Army infantry soldier, and the CEO of Burch Dental Partners, overseeing 15 practices and 23 dentists. His “Team Never Sell” model focuses on long-term partnerships instead of flipping practices, with retention rates far above industry averages. Culture is the engine behind it all. Dr. Burch built his group on four core values—commitment to excellence, humble and hungry to grow, effective communication, and winning attitude—which guide every decision from hiring to leadership development to knowing when to part ways.  He lays out a clear path to partnership, built on careful recruiting, hands-on onboarding, mentorship, and ongoing business and clinical training. Hear how investing early helps associates grow into confident, aligned owners. Find out how to spot the right partners, create offers doctors actually want, and build a team that’s in it for the long haul. GUEST Jeffrey Burch, DMD CEO, CFO, and CIO of Burch Dental Partners and Managing Partner of Featherstone Periodontics & Implant Dentistry Jeff is a board certified periodontist with over 20 years of experience in innovative modern dental surgery such as LANAP, Pinhole therapy, advanced bone grafting, and dental implant therapy to replace one or all teeth. Dr. Burch is a happily married man. His wife is a GP Dentist and they have 2 boys together ages 9 and 16. He is a former infantry soldier in the US Army with service in combat zones overseas. He is an entrepreneur at his core with a special focus on businesses that serve people. His business has a buy and hold strategy and is on “Team Never Sell.” Learn more about Burch Dental Partners Connect with Dr. Burch on LinkedIn Got a question for Dr. Burch? Email him at jeffreyburchdental@gmail.com The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game. Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com  Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability. Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart Engineering: Cameron Laird Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang Cover Art: Dan Childs The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

    50 min
  3. Special List #12: Why the Doctor Isn’t the Most Important Person in the Practice with Dr. Deana Cook

    JAN 15

    Special List #12: Why the Doctor Isn’t the Most Important Person in the Practice with Dr. Deana Cook

    North Carolina periodontist Dr. Deana Cook believes the real engine of a dental practice isn't the dentist, but the team running it. Dr. Cook has two thriving practices and an executive MBA from UNC. With a background in art history, she blends creativity with science and a people-first approach to running her team.  In her practices, Dr. Cook leans into transparency, daily KPIs, and fun incentives like team lunches and pooled bonuses to motivate staff. She shares clever systems to keep the office efficient while building ownership and accountability among her 12-person team. She also challenges the myth of work-life balance, viewing it instead as a pendulum that swings with priorities. Hear how she gamifies goals, fosters leadership across roles, and takes incremental steps to improve systems without overwhelming the team. Find out how Dr. Cook builds a culture where every team member feels responsible, patients are happier, and growth happens naturally.  GUEST Deana Cook, DDS, MS, MBA Owner & Periodontist at Cook Periodontics & Dental Implants Dr. Cook attended the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for her undergraduate education in Art History. After studying abroad in Italy, she began to appreciate the wonderful mix of art and science dentistry provided and went on to graduate from UNC School of Dentistry with honors (2009). She graduated with her Master’s degree in Biomedical Science and a Certificate in Periodontics from the University of Texas Health Science Center in San Antonio (2012). Additionally, she graduated with honors from the Executive MBA Program at UNC Kenan-Flagler Business School (2023). Dr. Cook is the owner of two periodontal practices in Southeastern NC (Wilmington, Leland) and is the director of a Spear Study Club.  She’s a proud wife and mom to two girls (Emery & Sutton). Learn more about Cook Periodontics & Dental Implants The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game. Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com  Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability. Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart Engineering: Cameron Laird Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang Cover Art: Dan Childs The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

    51 min
  4. Special List #11: How I Built a Thriving Perio Practice From Nothing with Dr. Lee Cochrane

    12/30/2025

    Special List #11: How I Built a Thriving Perio Practice From Nothing with Dr. Lee Cochrane

    For Dr. Lee Cochrane, clarity came through doing: learning on the fly, adjusting quickly, and letting the early chaos shape better systems. He talks about what it really takes to build a periodontal practice from the ground up, and why you often have to start before you feel “ready.” A big part of his story is culture. Lee is honest about how much a practice depends on the people inside it. He describes the power of a team that feels safe, supported, and respected—both in their internal interactions and in how they show up for patients.  Standard operating procedures, consistent communication, and clear roles create room for better patient care. When excellence is repeatable, Lee says the entire practice feels lighter and more focused. Mentorship shaped his career, and now leadership shapes his daily life. At the end of the day, Lee sees the team as the most valuable asset he has, and building an environment where they can thrive is the real marker of a successful practice. He explains how team empowerment, positivity, and trust ripple outward into every patient experience.  GUEST Leonard Cochrane, DMD Periodontist + Owner of Coastal Periodontics Lee Cochrane is a periodontist and the founder of Coastal Periodontics in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. A native of Greenville, Lee graduated from Clemson University with a degree in Bioengineering before completing both dental school and a periodontics residency at The Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, South Carolina. After launching his practice from scratch in 2022, Lee has grown it into one of the area’s most trusted specialty practices through a relentless focus on team culture, operational excellence, and patient experience. Learn more about Myrtle Beach periodontist Dr. Leonard Cochrane Follow Coastal Periodontics on Instagram @coastal.periodontics The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game. Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com  Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability. Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart Engineering: Cameron Laird Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang Cover Art: Dan Childs The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

    56 min
  5. Special List #10: The Side of Dentistry No One Teaches You with Dr. Nicole Saldua

    12/18/2025

    Special List #10: The Side of Dentistry No One Teaches You with Dr. Nicole Saldua

    Dr. Nicole Saldua is a general dentist known for her shockingly candid Instagram takes on the human side of dentistry—the loneliness that can creep in, the challenge of calming anxious patients, and dentistry’s failures to explain care in a way real people actually understand.  For her, clarity comes from simple language, strong analogies, and frameworks that make consent feel collaborative, not scary. She also explains the emotional rhythm of the day: the “room whiplash” of going from heavy conversations to joyful ones in minutes. Dr. Saldua, Dr. Seda, and Dr. Souyias share their practical reset strategies, from a brief pause between rooms to follow-up touchpoints that remind patients they’re seen beyond the chair. Listen for real-world tools you can use tomorrow: how to set expectations, when to refer, what patient red flags to watch for, and how to build connection in a profession that’s about people first, teeth second. GUEST Nicole Saldua, DDS General Dentist Dr. Nicole Saldua is a general dentist who graduated from the University of Washington School of Dentistry in 2018 and started her career serving in community health before working in a mix of private practices. She recently relocated to sunny Arizona so her kids can live outside year-round and so she’s not freezing her butt off at every future soccer or T-ball game. Nicole launched her Instagram to make dentistry feel less intimidating for both dentists and patients, using real talk, practical tips, and absolutely zero fluff. Follow Dr. Saldua on Instagram @dr.saldua and TikTok @dr.saldua Learn more about S&C Dental The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game. Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com  Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability. Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart Engineering: Cameron Laird Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang Cover Art: Dan Childs The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

    1h 2m
  6. Special List #9: Through the Eyes of Private Equity: The Power of Culture, Practice Autonomy, and Financial Literacy with Rashed Din

    12/04/2025

    Special List #9: Through the Eyes of Private Equity: The Power of Culture, Practice Autonomy, and Financial Literacy with Rashed Din

    With a decade of experience in dental private equity and specialty group leadership, Chicago entrepreneur Rashed Din’s biggest lesson is simple: culture is the real engine. It's daily behaviors anchored in clinical quality, clear values, and leaders who actually live them. Growth only works when new partners share those fundamentals. He keeps finance and operations just as grounded. Deals should be easy to understand, cash-on-cash reality matters more than hypothetical equity, and clinical autonomy works best when paired with a few shared expectations around diagnosis, access, and treatment planning. And in today’s market, profitability depends on transparency and giving teams targets they can genuinely influence. Listen for a clearer sense of how to build groups that actually work—how to protect culture, simplify money conversations, lead clinicians well, and grow without losing your footing. This is your roadmap built from real wins, real mistakes, and a decade of lessons you can put to work immediately. GUEST Rashed Din Co-Founder of Maya Dental Rashed Din is a strategy consultant–turned investor with roots in investment banking and private equity, who always approached deals like an entrepreneur at heart. Over the last 12 years, he entered dentistry as a private equity investor and ultimately fell in love with the space, dedicating the past 8+ years primarily to building in dental. In the last five years, he’s been deeply embedded in the specialist market—particularly Perio and Oral Surgery—where he partners closely with clinicians and teams. That exposure shaped his strong appreciation for the culture of “authentic specialists,” prioritizing clinical quality, integrity, and collaborative growth. Connect with Rashed on LinkedIn Learn more about Maya Dental The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game. Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com  Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability. Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart Engineering: Cameron Laird Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang Cover Art: Dan Childs The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

    33 min
  7. Special List #8: How I Turned Mentorship Into Partnership with Dr. Krupa Patel

    11/13/2025

    Special List #8: How I Turned Mentorship Into Partnership with Dr. Krupa Patel

    Dr. Krupa Patel knows that success in dentistry isn’t just about clinical skill—it’s about connection, communication, and shared vision. Reflecting on her journey from associate to soon-to-be partner with Dr. Jason Souyias, she offers an honest look at what it really takes to build trust and grow through collaboration in today’s dental world. Her path was built on mentorship, mutual respect, and clear expectations, turning a professional opportunity into a true partnership. Dr. Krupa shares how aligning on values, recognizing real practice demand, and keeping communication open are the foundations of long-term success. GUEST Krupa Patel, DMD, MS Associate Periodontist at Periodontic Associates of Port Huron Dr. Krupa A. Patel-Sharma, DMD, MS is a board-certified periodontist and Diplomate of the American Board of Periodontology. A University of Pennsylvania graduate with advanced IV-sedation and periodontal surgical training, she blends precision surgery with a passion for lifelong learning. Born in India and raised in Michigan, she brings both cultures—and plenty of creative energy—to Dr. Jason Souyias’ Port Huron practice. Learn more about Port Huron periodontist Dr. Krupa Patel Follow Dr. Patel on Instagram @dr.perio.pearl The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game. Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com  Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability. Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart Engineering: Cameron Laird Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang Cover Art: Dan Childs The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

    48 min
  8. Special List #7: Start With the End in Mind—Blueprinting Success with Dr. Jason Stoner

    10/30/2025

    Special List #7: Start With the End in Mind—Blueprinting Success with Dr. Jason Stoner

    Dr. Jason Stoner built his career with equal parts vision, grit, and style—often quite literally. From a single practice in Columbus, Ohio, he’s grown to eight locations, achieved financial independence by 48, and earned a reputation as one of dentistry’s boldest innovators. Dr. Stoner shares how reverse engineering guides both his business and his life, why teamwork is the ultimate growth strategy, and how true success comes from prioritizing patient care over production.  He breaks down how he empowers his team, builds trust through referrals, and integrates specialists and hygienists to deliver seamless, high-quality care. With humor, humility, and practical wisdom, Dr. Stoner reflects on the mentors, friends, and mindset shifts that shaped his path, and why doing things differently (and doing them well) is still the best formula for lasting success. GUEST Jason Stoner, DDS Periodontist at Stoner Periodontic and Implant Specialists & Clinical President, Periodontology and Dental Implantology at Gen4 Dental Partners With over 22 years in private practice, Dr. Jason Stoner is passionate about dentistry’s blend of business, leadership, and patient care. He values strong core values, academic excellence, and a thriving team culture. Learn more about Columbus periodontist Dr. Jason Stoner Follow Stoner Periodontic Specialists on Instagram @stonerperiodonticspecialists The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experience—changes the game. Referral Lab was built specifically for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection fuels The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, sharing the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape how they run their businesses today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com  Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Connect with Cameron on LinkedIn Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. More about Port Huron, Michigan periodontist Dr. Jason Souyias Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area. Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability. Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.  He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.  His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. More about Bay Area periodontist Dr. Michael Seda Follow Dr. Seda on Instagram @sedaperio Co-hosts: Cameron Full, Jason Souyias, DDS & Michael Seda, DDS Producer: Eva Sheie @ The Axis Assistant Producers: Mary Ellen Clarkson & Hannah Burkhart Engineering: Cameron Laird Theme music: Papa Funk, spring gang Cover Art: Dan Childs The Special Lists is a production of The Axis: theaxis.io

    48 min

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The Special Lists, presented by Referral Lab, is the podcast for dentists and dental specialists. Running a dental practice isn’t easy, and if you’re in private practice, it can sometimes feel like you’re on an island. That’s why finding your people—those who’ve been in your shoes and can share real, lived experiences—changes the game. Referral Lab is for dental specialists, helping you track, manage, and convert every referral. It’s about improving case acceptance, boosting team performance, and strengthening relationships with referring providers so your whole practice runs smarter. This spirit of connection drives The Special Lists podcast. Hosted by the team behind Referral Lab, we bring you hard-earned wisdom from practice owners and dental professionals, each guest sharing their own "special list" from the wins, mistakes, and lessons that shape their practices today. Got a question for us? Send us a message at speciallists.com (with two L's!) Transform your referral workflow with Referral Lab, the purpose-built platform for dental specialists to track, manage and convert every referral. Request a demo at referrallab.io  Cameron Full Co-Founder of Referral Lab Cameron Full, co-founder of Referral Lab, is a strategic problem-solver with expertise in business management and digital solutions. He combines leadership, creativity, and technology to drive success across various industries. Michael Seda, DMD, MS Periodontist and Co-Developer of Referral Lab A clinician and entrepreneur, Dr. Seda brings 19 years of private practice experience to his periodontal and implant surgery practice in the San Francisco Bay Area.   Dr. Seda’s interests are rooted in evaluating and influencing private practice management systems in dentistry. He wants to increase practice efficiency, establish a greater sense of collaboration and trust among practice team members, and enhance quality of care and service delivered—all while maximizing and growing profitability.   Through associateship opportunities early in his career, Dr. Seda was exposed to various private practice leadership and business models. He witnessed first-hand inconsistencies in the degree of success and failure owners experienced in private practices. This ignited his passion for learning what empowers practices to thrive and grow successfully while delivering a highly satisfying patient experience.    He is particularly interested in using cutting-edge analytics platforms to measure advanced practice metrics. He leverages these to design data-driven strategies to enhance referral patterns, scheduling systems, case acceptance rates, and other key performance indicators that lead to practice growth and patient satisfaction.    His education spans several disciplines, including a degree in Psychobiology from the University of California, Los Angeles, a Doctorate degree from Harvard University (DMD), and a Master’s degree in Periodontics and Oral Medicine from Columbia University. Jason Souyias, DDS Periodontist and Co-Founder of Referral Lab Dr. Jason Souyias is a periodontist, educator, and co-founder of Referral Lab software. He teaches dentists and hygienists, including as a Pikos Institute faculty member. In his Port Huron private practice, he's known for excellent patient communication and experience. He's passionate about his work and dedicated to helping other dentists. The Special Lists is a production of The Axis theaxis.io

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