Tough Cookie Talks

Jenna Jozefowski

Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.

  1. 2d ago

    Matching Manicures, Mutual Aid, and Moving Your Body Through the Madness with Ashantis Jones

    Fan favorite guest Ashantis Jones is back today with the most random episode ever! Give it a listen if you wanna feel like you're out for coffee with your besties laughing your ass off so you don't cry. Ashantis Jones (she/they) is a weight-inclusive Licensed Therapist, Mental Health Coach, NASM Certified Personal Trainer, Group Fitness Instructor, and Educator. She supports individuals seeking mental health + fitness support and businesses seeking to create more efficient and equitable practices. Specialties include Body Image/Eating Disorder Recovery, Executive Functioning, and Navigating Systems of Oppression.The Wellness Financial Fund provides full or partial financial assistance for individuals seeking personal training and/or wellness consultations (coffee chats) from Ashantis. The fund prioritizes financial support for Black women, but anyone is eligible to request sponsorship. On this episode we talk about: Our matching manicures and the joys of a good press on. Hand modeling and whether or not my husband should start an "Only Hands" account where he empties the dishwasher for likes. Voter suppression & what we're gonna do about it. Mutual aid and doing what you can to help where you can. AI and having nightmares about data centers and plastic grass. How to support your mental and physical health with different types of movement. How to breathe through it all. Doing your part of the "group project".So many other good and random things!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Work with Ashantis Donate to the Wellness Financial Fund Follow Ashantis on Instagram Follow Ashantis on Threads Follow Ashantis on Patreon Body Kind Nutrition on Patreon Help Fight Voter Suppression ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

    1h 8m
  2. May 21

    An Unhinged Pep Talk About Skinny Influencers, "Toned" Arms, and Why I'm Not Buying Into Any It

    Today I'm back with an unhinged pep talk/rant about the onslaught of skinny everywhere. Listen up if you're feeling this too. On this episode we talk about: How we are being gaslit into believing that Demi Moore's arms are "toned" and Hillary Duff is the new face of "body positivity". How "strong not skinny" still isn't it--and why our "body positivity should have been intersectional all along. Skinny influencers & how mean they are. Why I don't blame anyone trying to lose weight or taking GLP-1's right now, but I DO blame the system. The connections between the body trend du jour and the way women's rights are under attack. How body types as trends is ridiculous, and also how body acceptance was easier when then trend was curvier. Coming back to your "why" when it comes to the desire for weight loss. Why I'm still not making assumptions about anyone's health based on their weight and size, even if they're freakishly skinny. How we did this shit already (especially as elder millennials) and how we can feel the pressure to conform and still choose not to go back. How chasing thinness at all costs robs us of our strength and power.The difference between taking care of ourselves and forcing our bodies into submission.Other podcast episodes and books you might wanna listen to as a reminder. So many other good things!⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

    21 min
  3. May 7

    Did She "Let Herself Go?" Or Did She Let Herself HEAL?? Coming Back To Dance As A Grown Woman Who Eats Carbs and Lifts Weights

    Today I'm back and I'm talking about something that doesn't usually get a lot of air time on my podcast: dance! I hope you'll stick around even if you think it doesn't apply to you (it's all just different flavors of the same shit sandwich, really). On this episode we talk about: Why I'm excited to talk about dance right now and how it might apply to you even if you're not a dancer. Why I think I (and many other dancers I know) retired from performing too early.What I wish I had known about strength and mobility training and sports nutrition when I was dancing professionally. Ageism and sizeism in the dance world and how the body standards are different when you're an athlete/performer.Why we're not going back to the destructive shit we used to do to our bodies in the 90's and 2000's.How we, as the adults in the room can change the narrative around bodies for the future generation (in spite of skinnytok b******t).How much joy dance is bringing me as I come back to it at this stage of life and how I want that for you too (in whatever you do). So many other good things!⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Register for my Adult Tap & Jazz classes in Arlington Heights Register for my Adult Tap class in Lake Forest ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

    22 min
  4. Apr 30

    Our Rights Are Shrinking and So Are Our Bodies--The Rhyming Scripts of Diet Culture and Purity Culture with Anna Rollins

    My favorite podcast episodes are the ones where I read a really great book and then get to pick the brain of the person who wrote it. Today I am talking to Anna Rollins--the author of Famished: On Food, Sex, and Growing Up as a Good Girl (out December 9, 2025 from Eerdmans). Her groundbreaking debut memoir examines therhyming scripts of diet culture and evangelical purity culture, both of which direct women to fear their own bodies and appetites. Her writing has appeared in outlets like The NewYork Times, Slate, Electric Literature, Salon, Joyland, and more. She’s also written scholarly articles about composition and writing center studies. She’s an award-winning instructor who taught English in higher education for nearly 15 years. She is a 2025 Tamarack Foundation for the Arts Literary Arts Fellow. A lifelong Appalachian, she lives with her husband inWest Virginia where they’re raising their three small children. On this episode we talk about: The protestant work ethic and how it plays into exercise. The problem with fundamentalist thinking and we often unknowingly apply it to food and bodies.The different ways we both bought into different aspects of diet culture and purity culture as kids and teenagers. How purity culture and hookup culture are two sides of the same coin. How we see fundamentalism playing out in America today and how we can try to stop it. How to navigate being a part of a religion without getting sucked into the worst parts of it. What Anna wishes someone would have told her when you were younger and struggling with an eating disorder.The ways her religious upbringing contributed to her eating disorder.So many other good things! ⁠Follow Anna On Substack Get Anna's Book ⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠⁠

    57 min
  5. Mar 22 ·  Bonus

    What Is No Kings? Building Strength in Community & Peaceful Resistance with Ishaan Srivastava *Bonus Replay!*

    This episode is a replay--in light of upcoming No Kings Rallies on Saturday 3/28, I wanted to bring back a conversation I had with my friend and fellow Indivisible member Ishaan Srivastava. While the dates and details I mention in the intro and outro are correct and current, the ones within the episode are from last fall. Everything else is still very much relevant! We are here because when I found myself feeling hopeless a few weeks ago, I got involved with my local Indivisible chapter and it gave me a sense of purpose and community in a world that often feels irreparably f****d. I met Ishaan there and immediately knew we needed to come together to spread the word about No Kings and building a peaceful resistance. Ishaan Srivastava is a GenZ progressive activist, and has been very active in Illinois politics. He has also been the host of The Ishaan S. Show, his political news podcast, since 2021. Ishaan is an advocate for GenZ involvement in politics, and informing people about ways to get involved! On this episode we talk about: How Ishaan got into the work he's doing as a GenZ political activist. Why I came out of podcasting hiatus to talk to him about it. How so many people (especially GenZ!) got pulled to the right in the last election cycle and what we on the left need to do differently. All the different ways to participate in peaceful resistance when things feel hopeless. What to do if you want to protest but are concerned about your safety. Why we continue to gather to push back against the current administration and how you can build community of your own (or join ours!)What No Kings is and why you should come to one of our events on October 18th. So many other good things! **Please know that this conversation represents the views of myself and Ishaan and may or may not reflect the diverse views of Indivisible as an organization or its members. ⁠Ishaan's Website⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Ishaan on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Follow Ishaan on TikTok⁠ ⁠No Kings Chicago Suburban Rally 3/28 ⁠Find a No Kings event or Indivisible chapter near you⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Resistance training ⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow me on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow me on Bluesky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow me on Substack⁠

    1 hr
  6. Mar 13

    We Have To Save Ourselves (But We Don't Have To Do It Alone!) with Chelsea Laliberté Barnes

    Today's episode is brought to you by antifa wine moms. LOL. But seriously, today's guest and I met this year thanks to Instragram, but quickly realized that we were both doing a lot of similar work in our local community. When I heard about the work she's done to advocate for better policy around things like mental health, addiction recovery, and even mammogram coverage, I knew I needed to have her on the podcast! Chelsea Laliberté Barnes is a mom, social worker, psychotherapist, advocate, organizer, and change-maker at the forefront of the movement for compassion, justice, and equity for people and families impacted by substance use, overdose, and mental health. After losing her brother to an accidental polysubstance overdose in 2008, Chelsea channeled her grief into action — co-founding Live4Lali, a suburban Chicago-based organization delivering peer support, harm reduction outreach, advocacy, and education to thousands of people each year. In long-term recovery herself, Chelsea brings both lived experience and professional expertise to every space she enters. She is also the co-founder of the Lake County Opioid Initiative, the Illinois Harm Reduction & Recovery Coalition, and, most recently, Liberal Moms of the Northwest Suburbs, a grassroots community of progressive moms organizing for mutual support and advocacy. Chelsea holds a BA in Integrated Marketing Communications from Roosevelt University and a Master of Science in Social Administration (MSSA) with a Child & Family Mental Health specialization from Case Western Reserve University. She served as a Policy Fellow with the Illinois Consortium on Drug Policy, shaping evidence-based approaches to drug policy at the state level. A certified Overdose Education & Naloxone Distribution (OEND) trainer since 2013 and SMART Recovery Facilitator since 2016, she remains deeply committed to meeting people where they are — and helping systems do the same. When she is not caring for her 7-year-old and infant sons, reading, writing, or eating as much pasta as possible, Chelsea supports individuals and communities through her psychotherapy practice and provides nonprofit consulting and lobbying services through CLB Strategies. Follow her journey on Instagram at @mentalhealth.chels. On this episode we talk about: What led her to start a nonprofit and get involved with advocacy at such a young age.How "getting political" might actually help us solve some of our biggest health problems.Small ways we can advocate for ourselves, our neighbors, and a better world overall. Why we feel imposter syndrome as women and what to do about it. Why so many people (moms especially) had many of the same concerns as us around health and landed on MAHA as a solution instead.How to build a village. So many other good things! Follow Chelsea on Instagram Liberal Moms of the Northwest Suburbs Check out Chelsea's voter guide ⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠⁠

    1h 10m

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Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.

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