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A podcast for anyone who has found their self disillusioned or discouraged in their faith journey and who wants to hold on to their faith while untangling it from all that is not good or true.

Untangled Faith Amy Fritz

    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 4.6 • 163 Ratings

A podcast for anyone who has found their self disillusioned or discouraged in their faith journey and who wants to hold on to their faith while untangling it from all that is not good or true.

    51: Celebrities for Jesus. Guest: Katelyn Beaty

    51: Celebrities for Jesus. Guest: Katelyn Beaty

    Katelyn Beaty joins Amy Fritz for a conversation about what Katelyn learned as she was writing her upcoming book, Celebrities for Jesus: How Personas, Platforms, and Profits Are Hurting the Church.
    Topics discussed:
    How did Katelyn decide who to reach out to for endorsements for a book like this?
    Proximity as an antidote to implosion.
    An update on my former pastor who plagiarized most of his sermons and personal stories.
    Ghostwriting
    Plagiarism
    What is the role of the consumer?
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    • 56 min
    50: Dr. Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer share what they have learned from publishing A Church Called Tov

    50: Dr. Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer share what they have learned from publishing A Church Called Tov

    Authors and educators, Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer talk to Amy Fritz about what they learned from publishing A Church Called Tov.
    A Church Called Tov- https://amzn.to/3OWtYS7
    The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb- https://amzn.to/3QxyfwD
    Scot McKnight Substack Apology- https://scotmcknight.substack.com/p/an-apology
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    • 46 min
    49: Kyle J. Howard shares about his work in advocacy for Spiritual Abuse survivors & Racial Trauma survivors.

    49: Kyle J. Howard shares about his work in advocacy for Spiritual Abuse survivors & Racial Trauma survivors.

    Kyle J. Howard joins Amy to share his experience as an advocate for those who have experienced racial trauma and spiritual abuse.
    [00:03:32] Kyle’s story
    [00:15:36] “My work in spiritual abuse advocacy. . .has been way more divisive than my work in racial trauma.”
    [00:19:13] “One of the things toxic or abusive leaders do is create a cultic culture where people believe they are not worthy of their leaders.”
    [00:21:13] “I have no regrets and my credibility is intact.”
    [00:26:45] “I think there’s a problem when we have positions of influence and we want all the benefits, but none of the actual costs.”
    [00:29:03] “When we value ourselves and our own platforms more than we value people and their souls, our credibility is just going to crumble along the way.”
    [00:32:05] What White communities can learn from the Black church about holding on to their faith.
    [00:35:23] “When your theological formulation is grounded in power and privilege than when there is loss and suffering, you are not necessarily equipped to actually be able to engage these things in a comprehensive or well-rounded way.”
    [00:45:00] “We are most intimately connected to Christ during our most profound suffering, not during our greatest moments of wealth and enjoyment.”
    [00:50:00] Effective victim advocacy.
     
    Helpful links
    Kyle J Howard’s website https://kylejhoward.com
    Kyle’s Patreon https://patreon.com/kylejhoward
    Prophetic Lament book https://amzn.to/3J1E4zK 
     
     
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    Host/Creator: Amy Fritz
    Producer: Michelle Pjanic

    • 1 hr 9 min
    48: Former Ramsey Solutions Employees Reflect on Their Experience with Ramsey Meetings

    48: Former Ramsey Solutions Employees Reflect on Their Experience with Ramsey Meetings

    Kristen Moser and Dan Watt join Amy Fritz to share their experience as former employees of Ramsey Solutions. In this episode, they share what it was like to experience Ramsey Solutions team meetings- particularly when the meetings were used to control a narrative or manage the image of the organization.
    [00:02:05] Intro Kristen Moser and Dan Watt
    [00:19:10] In what category of listener in the meetings, were Dan and Kristen?
    [00:24:19] Discrediting those who speak out.
    [00:28:00] The pattern of Dave’s meetings.
    [00:37:42] Pattern of disparaging spouses.
    [00:43:18] Response to January RNS article.
    [00:59:51] Dave’s demand for loyalty.
    [01:00:00] PR spectacles.
    [01:03:59] RS’s use of NDA’s.
    [01:10:40] Sensemaking. 
     
    Links:
    Got Your Six Meeting, Part 1
    Got Your Six Meeting, Part 2
    Nashville Scene Article
    Religion News Service December 2020 article
    Religion News Service January 2021 article
    Ramsey Response to the RNS article
    Liberty University Convocation
     
    This episode is made possible by the support of the Untangled Faith membership community. For more information and to access the bonus audio with Chuck DeGroat visit: Untangled Faith Podcast is creating a podcast. | Patreon
     
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    • 1 hr 15 min
    47: Impression Management & Ramsey Solutions. Guest: Dr. Wade Mullen

    47: Impression Management & Ramsey Solutions. Guest: Dr. Wade Mullen

    This episode includes mention of guns and a reference to an assault allegation. Please take care when listening.
    Wade Mullen, impression management expert, joins Amy Fritz to share his observations of a Ramsey Solutions employee meeting. Wade Mullen shares how impression management works and points out some specific tactics that some people or organizations may use when they feel like their image is threatened.
    Disclaimer: The observations that Dr. Wade Mullen shares are subjective and are his opinions based on his knowledge of impression management. This sort of analysis is most effective when it is done over a long period of time with multiple people reviewing the data.
    [00:02:52] Background
    [00:06:16] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 1.
    [00:13:28] Wade Mullen observations. Appealing to cultural norms and standards. Generational norms.
    [00:16:04] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 2.
    [00:16:20] Language that stigmatizes others.
    [00:18:35] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 3.
    [00:19:10] Legitimizing. Comparisons. Define the situation.
    [00:24:15] The different categories of people taking in these messages. Condemning the condemner.
    [00:28:16] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 4.
    [00:28:48] The difficulty of giving critical feedback.
    [00:29:27] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 5.
    [00:30:21] Wade Mullen observations. Language of self-promotion. Creating the Us v. Them dichotomy.
    [00:33:22] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 6. (Mention of assault allegation)
    [00:34:08] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 7.
    [00:34:25] Condemning the condemner. Exaggeration. Negative events misrepresented.
    [00:37:02] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 8.
    [00:37:51] Got Your Six meeting clip from May 2019.
    [00:38:51] MUM effect. 
    [00:40:54] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 9.
    [00:41:57] Intimidating messaging. Unhealthy preoccupation with the identity at the top.
    [00:44:57] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 10.
    [00:45:08] Appeal to cultural norms.
    [00:45:49] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 11.
    [00:47:16] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 12.
    [00:48:33] What are we called to be loyal to?
    [00:50:14] Ad break
    [00:51:19] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 13.
    [00:51:43] Self-promotion and organizational promotion.
    [00:53:30] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 14.
    [00:55:47] Prosocial behavior. Distancing.
    [00:57:02] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 15.
    [00:58:24] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 16.
    [00:59:38] Stigmatizing.
    [01:00:27] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 17.
    [01:02:23] Belittling legitimate concerns.
    [01:03:31] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 18.
    [01:05:38] Dave Ramsey meeting audio part 19.
     
    [01:06:10] Is there a freedom to express concerns?
    [01:07:26] Advice for those in this sort of environment. Sensemaking.
    [01:11:56] Advice for organizations.
    Resources:
    Wade Mullen
    Cubicles of Charm, Crucibles of Condemnation
    Erving Goffman book.
    Something's Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse--and Freeing Yourself from Its Power Nashville Scene Article
    Daily Beast Article
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    Related Episodes:
    Got Your Six Episode, Part 1
    Got Your Six Episode, Part 2

    • 1 hr 21 min
    46: When Narcissism Comes to Church. Guest: Chuck DeGroat

    46: When Narcissism Comes to Church. Guest: Chuck DeGroat

    Author, licensed therapist, spiritual director, and speaker Chuck DeGroat joins Amy Fritz on the Untangled Faith Podcast.
    Chuck DeGroat is the author of the book When Narcissism Comes to Church which came out in 2020. The paperback edition releases soon making this a perfect time for a conversation with him on the podcast.
    Amy and Chuck talk about all things narcissism including the many faces of narcissism in faith communities, what systemic narcissism looks like, and what to do when you hear reports that a leader you admire has hurt someone. How do you know what is true?
    Time stamps:
     [00:03:13] Amy’s experience on the launch team for Chuck’s book, When Narcissism Comes to Church.
    [00:04:48] What is narcissism?
    [00:06:53] Systemic narcissism
    [00:11:58] Do our church systems attract narcissistic leaders?
    [00:17:21] How does Chuck deal with resistance from pastors to seeing their own unhealth?
    [00:18:40] Suggestions for those who want to build healthy faith communities
    [00:24:50] Different ways narcissism presents itself.
    [00:28:13] What if someone tells me they have had painful experiences with a pastor who is kind to me?
    [00:31:40] Encouragement to leaders to be proactive in regard to their church culture health.
    [00:37:05] False vulnerability and performative vulnerability.
    00:43:26] In a complex situation, how do you differentiate between who is the victim and who is the abuser?
    Resources:
    When Narcissism Comes to Church
    GRACE
    Narcissism and the System it Breeds by Dr. Diane Langberg
    Redeeming Power
    A Church Called Tov
    Something’s Not Right
    This podcast is sponsored by Faithful Counseling. For more information and for 10% off your first month, visit Faithful Counseling here.
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    Untangled Faith: 38: Misunderstood: Are We “Dogging” on the Church? Guests: Jenai Auman and Mary DeMuth on Apple Podcasts

    • 46 min

Customer Reviews

4.6 out of 5
163 Ratings

163 Ratings

clifegirl ,

Very good

Need to look at other churches and their NDA’s and you cannot say anything about them. One of the largest churches in America with multiple sites does this regularly.

Kytrader ,

Bravo

These women are so courageous and inciteful. An awesome podcast. Just finished the Ramsey story.

CINJS ,

Binging All the Episodes

I just found this podcast yesterday and I have binged almost all of the episodes. I’m learning so much. I love all the new resources I’m learning about as well. Spiritual abuse is much too common and this is a great resource to learn how to discern if you are experiencing it in your life.

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