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David Robinson, former OpenAI leader: Why I quit over safety

“It's a cultural thing. There's an aspect of this that's a Silicon Valley belief that what's invented in California has a special status. I implored colleagues to bring people in from other industries. And people said to me ‘well they can't imagine how powerful AI is, and they can picture what we're doing’ and there's really a sense that the people in the Bay Area are a special group with some special franchise to understand and deal with this technology.” Rick Edwards speaks to David Robinson, who until recently led safety and transparency at OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT. Robinson resigned because he no longer believed that the industry was doing enough to protect us from the risks posed by increasingly powerful artificial intelligence systems. He warns that Silicon Valley’s culture of overconfidence is leaving us exposed to systems that are becoming harder to control. He explains what AI companies could learn from industries with decades of experience managing serious risks, and what needs to change to keep the technology safe. The Interview brings you conversations with people shaping our world, from all over the world. The best interviews from the BBC, including episodes with Veolia CEO Estelle Brachlianoff, billionaire Mohammed Dewji, and TaskRabbit founder Leah Solivan. You can listen on the BBC World Service on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays at 0800 GMT. Or you can listen to The Interview as a podcast, out three times a week on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts. Presenter: Rick Edwards Producer: Osman Iqbal Editor: Farhana Haider Get in touch with us on email TheInterview@bbc.co.uk and use the hashtag #TheInterviewBBC on social media. (Image: OpenAI logo. Credit: EPA/Shutterstock)
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Klaus Thymann, scientist: Indonesia’s ‘eternal glaciers’ are vanishing

“I can't pronounce the local language, but if it's kind of translated into English, it becomes ‘the eternal glaciers’. And to have something on a mountain that has that cultural history, and has been so important for local belief, and local culture, to disappear. It's a culture heritage disappearing.” Abraham Utama speaks to explorer and climate scientist Klaus Thymann, founder of Project Pressure, a charity combining science and art to communicate the realities of climate change. Klaus travelled to Puncak Jaya, a remote mountain in Indonesia, to document its rapidly disappearing tropical glaciers. Using drone photographs and precise measurements, his team created a detailed digital model of the mountain and its remaining ice. He explains what they found, why the glaciers’ disappearance also represents a loss of cultural heritage, and how their work aims to preserve a record for future generations. The Interview brings you conversations with people shaping our world, from all over the world. The best interviews from the BBC, including episodes with Sundar Pichai and Julia Gillard. You can listen on the BBC World Service on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays at 0800 GMT. Or you can listen to The Interview as a podcast, out three times a week on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts. Presenter: Abraham Utama Producer: Osman Iqbal Editor: Damon Rose Get in touch with us on email TheInterview@bbc.co.uk and use the hashtag #TheInterviewBBC on social media. (Image: Klaus Thymann, Credit: BBC)