People of Packaging Podcast

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This is a podcast where we illuminate the stories of people in the packaging industry and proudly sponsored by Specright.com Hosted by the Packaging Pastor, Adam Peek www.packagingisawesome.com

  1. Jul 22

    354 - Beyond the dieline with the incomparable Jake Karls from Mid-Day Squares

    Beyond the Die Line: Unfiltered Founder Life, Building a Brand Empire, and No-Bread PB&Js with Jake Karls 🍫🚀 Welcome back to Beyond the Die Line, hosted by Tom Seymour from Bison Bag! In this high-energy episode, Tom sits down with the wild, authentic, and unstoppable Jake Karls, co-founder of Mid-Day Squares. Jake gives an unfiltered look at what it really takes to build a disruptive CPG empire alongside his sister and brother-in-law. From hand-making chocolate bars in a condo kitchen from 5 AM to 5 PM, to getting rejected by 26 co-manufacturers, to building their own manufacturing facility producing 150,000 squares a day—this episode is packed with real talk on scaling, packaging, and going on offense during a crisis. 🌟 Key Highlights From the Episode * The Condo Kitchen Hustle: Jake recounts the early days of launching on August 4, 2018. The three co-founders spent 5 AM–5 PM making 50 bars a day by hand, packaged them from 5 PM–6 PM, and hand-delivered them to customers from 6 PM–10 PM with handwritten notes. * Radical Social Media Transparency: Instead of just showcasing a polished product, Mid-Day Squares documented everything—the chaos, founder arguments, and even team therapy sessions. This raw storytelling created an emotional connection that turned customers into superfans. * 26 Co-Packer Rejections & Building Their Own Plant: Every co-manufacturer told them their formula was impossible to scale without changing the ingredients. Refusing to compromise their product, they built their own custom manufacturing plant that now cranks out ~150,000 squares daily! * Turning Crisis into Offense: When lockdown hit and sales plummeted 70% overnight, they didn’t play defense. They donated thousands of bars to hospital workers, shifted momentum, hired aggressively, and turned it into one of their biggest growth years. * Winning the Refrigerated Aisle: Why build a refrigerated bar in a world of dry snack aisles? Jake explains the strategy behind avoiding the overcrowded “sea of sameness” in traditional snack aisles and taking over the high-growth, fresh-snacking fridge space. * The No-Bread PB&J Innovation: Born out of a global cocoa price surge 2.5 years ago, Mid-Day Squares pivoted to create their viral “No-Bread PB&J” line (Strawberry and Grape)! At 130–170 calories, it delivers nostalgia without the sugar crash. 📌 Links & Resources Mentioned * Explore Mid-Day Squares: Find your nearest fridge or order directly at middaysquares.com. * Connect with Jake Karls: Follow Jake’s entrepreneurial journey on LinkedIn. * Brought to you by: Tom Seymour and the packaging pros at Bison Bag. 📲 Connect With Us! For daily packaging breakdowns, manufacturing insights, and founder stories: * LinkedIn: Connect with Adam Peek at www.linkedin.com/in/adampeek * TikTok: Follow along @thelabelking This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.packagingisawesome.com

    354 - Beyond the dieline with the incomparable Jake Karls from Mid-Day Squares
  2. Jul 14

    353 - Adam Page and Adam Peek discuss Packaging Market Trends!

    Episode Summary In this episode of the People of Packaging Podcast, host Adam Peek sits down with Adam Page, VP of Reports at Smithers, to dive deep into the world of packaging market research. With over 25 years of experience in the industry, Adam Page shares valuable insights on why true market intelligence requires human expertise, the limitations of relying solely on AI, and how rapid changes in e-commerce and sustainability regulations are reshaping the packaging landscape. Key Takeaways & Timestamps * 01:40 – Global Footprint: Discover where Smithers is located—spanning London, Akron (Ohio), and Suzhou (China)—and their legacy stemming from PIRA (Printing Industry Research Association). * 02:50 – The Hogwarts Debate: A quick detour into the magical world of Harry Potter. Is it Gryffindor or Hufflepuff? * 04:45 – The Real Value of Human Research: Why desk research and AI aren’t enough. Adam explains the art of “triangulating” data from multiple industry stakeholders to uncover the real truth. * 06:30 – The Paradox of the Consumer: Consumers say they want sustainability, but they also want it cheap and delivered to their doorstep in 24 hours. How do brands navigate these conflicting demands? * 10:40 – E-Commerce & Corrugated Trends: How the rise of AI-driven “right-sizing” packaging technology at companies like Amazon is actually shifting corrugated volume demand. * 11:50 – The PCR Crunch: Major brands have massive goals for Post-Consumer Recycled (PCR) content, but the global recycling infrastructure can’t keep up with the demand. Where will the material come from? Notable Quotes “AI is wonderful for problems that have already been solved and already understood... But when you’re trying something that is unknown, where there are ambiguities and uncertainties, AI falls into the mistake of being too certain about its answer.” — Adam Page, Smithers ##🔗 Connect with Us! If you want to stay on top of the latest packaging trends, make sure to follow and connect with our host across social media: * LinkedIn: Connect with Adam Peek on LinkedIn to see daily insights and industry commentary. * TikTok: Follow the “Label King” himself on TikTok @thelabelking for behind-the-scenes content and quick packaging breakdowns. To learn more about the market reports discussed in this episode or to connect with the team at Smithers, visit Smithers.com. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.packagingisawesome.com

    353 - Adam Page and Adam Peek discuss Packaging Market Trends!
  3. Jun 22

    352 - Are you ready to see the next revolution in packaging testing?!? Ankit Dhawan from Blue-Pill.ai

    Welcome to another episode of the People of Packaging Podcast, recorded live right here at the Label King Studios in Salt Lake City. I am your host, Adam Peek, and today we are diving deep into the future of packaging design, consumer psychology, and artificial intelligence. Our guest today is Ankit Dhawan, the founder of Bluepill.ai. Ankit has an incredible background, moving from India to the United States to complete his masters at Cornell before leading product for the global marketing team at Amazon. With over seven years of deep experience in AI, Ankit is solving one of the most frustrating, expensive, and analog processes in our industry: consumer insights and package testing. In this episode, we run a live demo of the Bluepill.ai software using a real-world test case: Miss Essie’s BBQ Sauce, a fantastic local brand here in Utah. Here is what we cover: * The Matrix Motivation: The story behind the name Blue-pill.ai and why taking the blue pill means choosing to stay in a perfectly simulated consumer environment. * The $140 Billion Problem: Package testing and market research traditionally cost fifteen thousand to twenty-five thousand dollars per study, taking anywhere from four to eight weeks. Bluepill.ai drops that down to under ten minutes. * Digital Twins and Micro-Personas: How the software uses real human behavioral data, qualitative interviews, and purchase signals to predict exactly how specific demographics will react to your package on the shelf. * The Miss Essie’s Shelf Test: We look at the actual heatmap data comparing Miss Essie’s to heavy hitters like Sweet Baby Ray’s and Stubbs, highlighting packaging strengths like practical dispensers and areas to improve like pale illustrations. * Ironclad Data Security: Why testing your proprietary designs with AI is actually much safer than human panels, ensuring your upcoming product launches never leak to your competitors. We also have some fun debating geography, including my infamous shouting match at the Delhi airport over whether a city of five hundred thousand people actually exists. Ankit’s tool changes the game from subjective guessing to objective, data-driven decision-making, allowing brands to iteratively test text orientation, visual clutter, and ingredient transparency for a fraction of traditional costs. Check out the full episode to see the future of package testing in action. Connect with Adam: * LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/adampeek * TikTok: @thelabelking Connect with Ankit Dhawan: * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dhawanankit/ * Website: https://blue-pill.ai/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.packagingisawesome.com

    352 - Are you ready to see the next revolution in packaging testing?!? Ankit Dhawan from Blue-Pill.ai
  4. Jun 15

    351 - The best RTD innovation I've seen in packaging! 2 cans with Tatiana Chamorro from Toucan

    Hey packaging people! I don’t think I’ve ever been more excited to just completely packaging-nerd out on an episode! Today, I am honored and blessed to be joined by Tatiana Chamorro, the CMO and founding team member of Toucan Cocktails. Not only is she a seasoned marketing pro and entrepreneur, but she’s also a fellow podcast host! In this episode, we dive deep into some of the most innovative packaging I have ever seen in my life. The ready-to-drink (RTD) cocktail industry has been exploding, but Toucan Cocktails realized a huge problem: pre-mixed drinks sitting on a shelf lose their magic and sometimes start to taste a little funky without heavy preservatives. Their solution? Keep the spirit and the mixer completely separate until the exact moment you are ready to drink it! Tatiana takes us on the wild design and engineering journey of bringing this product to life. We talk about: * The transition from early leaky 3D-printed prototypes to their incredibly sleek final product. * Why they chose a 360-degree pop-top tin can (it opens like a tennis ball can!) for the spirit. * The genius of using a universal black top can across all flavors to simplify supply chain and demand planning. * Moving away from annoying shrink sleeves (specifically those pesky zipper perfs!) and opting for direct digital UV inkjet printing for a premium, tactile feel. * A live, on-screen demo of how to properly snap, shake, and pour a Toucan Margarita and Espresso Martini—complete with real cocktail foam! If you love packaging design, structural engineering, and a genuinely good cocktail, you cannot miss this episode! Connect with Adam! LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/adampeek TikTok: @thelabelking Check out Toucan Cocktails & follow their journey: Website: https://toucancocktails.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/toucancocktails Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toucancocktails TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@toucancocktails This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.packagingisawesome.com

    351 - The best RTD innovation I've seen in packaging! 2 cans with Tatiana Chamorro from Toucan
  5. May 27

    350 - Beyond the Dieline - Dr Juan from PNuff Crunch joins Tom Seymour

    Welcome to another episode of Beyond the Dieine, hosted by Tom Seymour from Bison Bag! In this episode, Tom sits down with his close friend Dr. Juan Salinas, a doctor of food science, master of sports nutrition, competitive bodybuilder, and the brilliant founder of Pnuff Crunch. Juan shares his incredible journey from engineering to formulating iconic snacks for global CPG giants, before taking a leap of faith into entrepreneurship. He drops absolute gold on the realities of scaling a food brand, navigating the treacherous waters of packaging inventory, and what really happens when you rip off a lab coat on national television. Key Highlights From the Episode * The Corporate Launchpad: Juan talks about his years doing serious time at massive CPG companies like Nabisco, Kraft, and Nestle. He shares how working on legacy brands like Oreos and Ritz—and watching the birth of the OG Power Bar—fueled his passion for functional nutrition. * The Shark Tank Savior: Juan recounts his viral appearance on Shark Tank. After stunning the Sharks by ripping off his doctor’s lab coat to reveal his bodybuilding physique, the laughter caused him to completely forget his lines. Mark Cuban stepped in to save the pitch and ultimately became an investor in the company. * Dumbbells and Discipline: Tom and Juan break down a powerful analogy comparing gym culture to business growth. You cannot just start lifting the 75-pound weights on day one without hurting yourself; business, just like muscle growth, requires trusting a disciplined progression. * Packaging Pitfalls: Juan candidly admits his early founder mistake of tying up massive amounts of cash in cheap, long-run packaging film rolls, only to be stuck with obsolete inventory when branding and market trends changed. Tom drops expert advice on using digital printing early on and designing smart with common plates to keep costs low. * Sustainable Solutions: What do you do with 50,000 dollars worth of unused packaging rolls sitting in a warehouse? Tom explains how brands can leverage TerraCycle’s advanced recycling methods to separate complex film layers, keeping commercial waste out of landfills while protecting their brand’s reputation. * Clean Snacking Without Sacrifice: Pnuff puffs are scientifically formulated to deliver 20 grams of protein, 3 grams of fiber, and a low glycemic response per bag to keep you full longer without the sugar crash. Links and Resources Mentioned * Get Shredded: Download Dr. Juan’s 34-Day Fitness and Diet Program and unlock the exact science-backed methods he uses for bodybuilding. * Try Pnuff: Grab a bag of original, barbecue, cheddar jalapeno, cinnamon, or cocoa puffs at pnuff.com or find them on Amazon. * Brought to you by: Tom Seymour and the flexible packaging experts at Bison Bag. Connect With Us! For more behind-the-scenes packaging breakdowns, industry insights, and entrepreneurial truth-bombs, make sure to follow along: * LinkedIn: Connect with Adam Peek at www.linkedin.com/in/adampeek * TikTok: Follow the journey and catch daily videos with @thelabelking This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.packagingisawesome.com

    350 - Beyond the Dieline - Dr Juan from PNuff Crunch joins Tom Seymour
  6. May 7

    348 - Cracking the Code of Label Compliance with Lauren Rockteacher

    Ever wonder why that protein shake has a “Supplement Facts” panel instead of “Nutrition Facts”? Or why your favorite craft soda’s label layout looks a very specific way? It is not just design—it is federal law. In this episode of the People of Packaging Podcast, Adam Peek sits down with Lauren Rockteacher, the founder and principal reviewer at Proof and Panel. With a background in food science and regulatory affairs, Lauren is the “label whisperer” that brands call before they hit the shelves. We dive into the high-stakes world of regulatory compliance, exploring why a beautiful design does not always equal a legal one. Lauren breaks down the 200+ checkpoints she uses to ensure brands do not face massive fines, recalls, or the nightmare of throwing away thousands of dollars in printed packaging. In this episode, we discuss: * The Wisconsin Life: Cheese curds, cross-country ski marathons (The Birke!), and why Wisconsin is a packaging powerhouse. * Food vs. Supplement: The subtle (and legally massive) differences in how you claim health benefits. * The AI Trap: Why you should not trust ChatGPT to write your regulatory claims and the funny mistakes it makes. * Conditional Labeling: How one “voluntary” claim can trigger a waterfall of mandatory requirements. * Saving Your Brand: Why regulatory review is an investment, not just a hurdle. Do not let a “catchy” claim turn into a legal catastrophe. Tune in to hear how to bridge the gap between food science, graphic design, and the FDA. Connect with us: * Adam Peek on LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/adampeek * Adam Peek on TikTok: @thelabelking * Lauren Rockteacher on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenrockteacher/ * Proof and Panel Website: www.proofandpanel.com This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.packagingisawesome.com

    348 - Cracking the Code of Label Compliance with Lauren Rockteacher
  7. May 1

    347 - Get a $1 Million investment with www.grow-ny.com

    Episode Title: Grow-NY with Jenn Smith Host: Adam Peek Guest: Jenn Smith, Director of Food and Ag Innovation Programs at Cornell University and Director of Grow-NY Summary: In this episode, Adam sits down with the multi-titled Jenn Smith to talk about all things food, agriculture, and innovation in Upstate New York. Jenn dives into the Grow-NY competition, a $3 million business competition that draws startups from around the world to compete for top prizes—including a whopping $1 million! They chat about the importance of sustainability, the circular economy, and how even packaging companies can get in on the action. Plus, find out why Adam has been rocking rope sandals for 30 years! Key Takeaways: * What is Grow-NY? A global business competition focused on food and agriculture innovation, funded by New York State. * The Prizes: A $1 million grand prize, two $500k prizes, and four $250k prizes. It’s an equity investment, not just a grant! * Sustainability Matters: Grow-NY looks for startups that think holistically about sustainability—from soil science to innovative packaging solutions like Living Ink‘s algae-based black ink. * Eligibility: Early-stage startups (7 years or fewer in operation) that are willing to grow their business and contribute to the Upstate New York economy. * The Deadline: Applications are due by May 15th! Links: * Grow-NY Website: grow-ny.com * Adam’s LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/adampeek * Adam’s TikTok: @thelabelking Time Stamps: * 0:00 - Introduction & Jenn’s “Longest Title Ever” * 5:23 - The Ren Fair & Adam’s 30-Year-Old Rope Sandals * 8:20 - Jenn’s Role at Cornell & Extension Agents * 10:33 - Holistic Sustainability in Packaging & Farming * 13:40 - The History & Mission of Grow-NY * 16:20 - Past Winners: Living Ink & Algae-Based Ink * 18:40 - Eligibility & Application Process * 21:20 - What Does “Upstate” New York Actually Mean? * 22:40 - Final Wrap-Up & Application Deadline This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.packagingisawesome.com

    347 - Get a $1 Million investment with www.grow-ny.com
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