Success Beyond The Brush

Consulting4Contractors

Host Scott Lollar is a 35-year veteran of the painting industry and founder of Consulting4Contractors. The 'Success Beyond The Brush' Podcast serves as a touchpoint to painting contractors who have hustled, sacrificed, and worked hard to get their business to where it is today. Now, you need the guidance, expertise, experience, and team to make it into the multi-million-dollar company of your dreams. You'll hear stories and interviews from "Brothers of the Brush" and "Sisters of the Sprayer" who have been where you are and are charting a new course for their company's success. Listen in and go beyond $1,000,000!

  1. SBTB Ep. 24 | The Profit Killers: Navigating Scope Creep and Change Orders

    May 26

    SBTB Ep. 24 | The Profit Killers: Navigating Scope Creep and Change Orders

    SIGN UP FOR A TASTE OF COACHING HERE 👇👇👇 Get coaching with SCOTT LOLLAR here Get coaching with RICK HOLTZ here ****************************** In This Episode Mark and Scott discuss:  Why scope creep quietly destroys profit  How one unapproved jobsite decision can erase an entire job’s margin  Why crew leaders need to treat the work order as the source of truth  The difference between great customer service and giving work away  Why exclusions are just as important as inclusions  How to precondition customers for unknown conditions  Why contractors should document change orders before doing the work  How to train crews to talk about added work without sounding combative  Why time-and-material agreements can create customer frustration  How photos, notes, and detailed proposals protect the company  Why “clear is kind” applies to customers, employees, and profit margins Key Takeaways 1. Scope creep usually starts small One extra patch, one added coat, one unplanned repair, or one customer request may seem harmless. But when those little extras pile up, they can turn a profitable job into a losing job. 2. The work order needs to be clear enough for the crew to execute Scott explains that a properly written estimate should include enough scope detail, photos, notes, inclusions, and exclusions that a crew leader or project manager can understand the job without needing a second sales conversation. 3. Exclusions protect both the contractor and the customer A vague proposal like “paint living room” or “paint house” creates room for misunderstanding. Clear exclusions help the customer understand what is not included in the price. 4. Change orders do not have to feel confrontational Instead of saying, “That’s not in the contract,” crews can be trained to say something like, “We’d be glad to take care of that for you. Let me get you a price so you can decide how you’d like to move forward.” 5. T&M work still needs expectations Time-and-material work can be useful, but customers often misunderstand what they are approving. Giving a range of expected hours and material costs helps prevent surprise invoices and sour endings to otherwise successful projects. 6. Great customer service does not mean giving away profit Small value-adds can be part of a great customer experience, but contractors need to know the difference between going the extra mile and giving away hours, materials, repairs, or coats that were never included in the price. 🔗 Links from This Episode ✨ Free Discovery Call with Scott Lollar 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/discovery-call/ 🏗️ Consulting4Contractors Website 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/ ⚙️ Operations Module Demo Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/0IUmPWk4GRI ✌️ Operations Module 2.0 Update Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/JTHtbLXyMBI 📲 C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/consulting4contractors/ 👥 C4C Facebook Community 👉 https://www.facebook.com/consulting4contractors/ 💼 C4C on LinkedIn 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/company/70241567 📧 Want to Be a Guest? Send us an email → info@c4c.team 🎧 Credits 🎙️ Hosts:Scott Lollar — Founder, Consulting4ContractorsMark Black — Owner, Men In White Painting, Mt. Vernon, IL 🎵 Production:Siren Mastering — Original music, artwork, transcripts, show notes & audio engineeringhttps://www.sirenmastering.com (00:00) - Nice Guy Profit Trap (00:37) - Welcome to Success Beyond The Brush (02:10) - Mold Surprise Story (05:11) - Unforeseen Clauses and Options (08:24) - Defining Scope Creep (09:55) - Crystal Clear Proposals (13:49) - Photos and Exclusions (15:24) - A Taste of Coaching Offer - Limited Time! (16:13) - Contractor Psychology (19:13) - Word Tracks for Upsells (21:05) - Quality Expectations and Check Ins (25:13) - Change Orders and T&M Risks (28:02) - Clear Is Kind Wrap Up (30:22) - Add Value Without Giving Away (31:53) - Thanks for listening to Success Beyond The Brush!

    33 min
  2. SBTB Ep. 23 | Can Painting Contractors Actually Make Money Working With General Contractors?

    May 20

    SBTB Ep. 23 | Can Painting Contractors Actually Make Money Working With General Contractors?

    SIGN UP FOR A TASTE OF COACHING HERE 👇👇👇 Get coaching with SCOTT LOLLAR here Get coaching with RICK HOLTZ here ******************************General contractors often get a bad reputation in the painting industry. Many painting contractors have dealt with slow payments, unrealistic schedules, disorganized jobsites, scope creep, and pressure to do extra work without approval. But does that mean GC work should be avoided altogether? In this episode of Success Beyond The Brush, Scott Lollar is joined by C4C coach and Holtz & Son owner Rick Holtz for a practical conversation about how painting contractors can build profitable relationships with general contractors. Rick shares how his company began working with remodelers and builders as part of a broader strategy to protect territory, create year-round work, and serve high-value neighborhoods more consistently. He also explains the hard lessons learned along the way, including a costly $11,000 mistake that reinforced the importance of reading plans carefully and clearly defining exclusions. Scott and Rick discuss what makes GC work different from residential repaint work, why communication and trust are essential, and how contractors can avoid getting trapped by unclear scope, rushed timelines, and delayed payments. In This Episode Scott and Rick discuss:  Why not all general contractors should be stereotyped as bad clients  How GC work can help painting companies smooth out seasonal peaks and valleys  Why trust is the most important part of the GC/subcontractor relationship  How to find and develop relationships with good builders and remodelers  How to vet a new general contractor before agreeing to bid  Why jobsite cleanliness and organization reveal a lot about a GC  The importance of clear inclusions, exclusions, and drawing dates  How scope creep happens when teams get caught up in jobsite momentum  Why touch-up work can become one of the biggest gray areas  How to train field teams to stop and request approval for extra work  Why GC projects require the right project manager and the right onsite lead  How to support younger crew leaders so they are not left on an island  How to break large projects into smaller, manageable sections  How to handle accelerated schedules and overtime requests  Why cash flow planning is critical when doing GC work  Why painting contractors should discuss payment terms before accepting the job Key Takeaway Working with general contractors can be profitable, but only if painting contractors approach it intentionally. The right GC relationships can create steady work, open doors in valuable markets, and support year-round employment. But contractors need strong estimating, clear scope language, trained field leaders, active project management, and disciplined cash flow practices to make it work. GC work is not something to jump into blindly. Start small, vet carefully, set expectations early, and protect your company before the first crew ever arrives on site. 🔗 Links from This Episode ✨ Free Discovery Call with Scott Lollar 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/discovery-call/ ✨ Free Discovery Call with Rick Holtz 👉 https://calendly.com/rick-fjo/60min 🏗️ Consulting 4 Contractors Website 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/ ⚙️ Operations Module Demo Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/0IUmPWk4GRI ✌️ Operations Module 2.0 Update Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/JTHtbLXyMBI 📲 C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/consulting4contractors/ 👥 C4C Facebook Community 👉 https://www.facebook.com/consulting4contractors/ 💼 C4C on LinkedIn 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/company/70241567 📧 Want to Be a Guest? Send us an email → info@c4c.team 🎧 Credits 🎙️ Hosts:Scott Lollar — Founder, Consulting4ContractorsRick Holtz - President, H.J. Holtz & Sons, Inc., Richmond, VA 🎵 Production:Siren Mastering — Original music, artwork, transcripts, show notes & audio engineeringhttps://www.sirenmastering.com (00:00) - Taste of Coaching Offer (00:43) - Hard Lessons on Scope (01:23) - Welcome to Success Beyond The Brush (04:11) - Can GCs Be Profitable (05:46) - Finding the Right GCs (07:24) - Territory and Year Round Work (09:06) - Bumps Bruises and Red Flags (11:10) - Vetting New Contractors (12:52) - Jobsite Checks and Communication (16:16) - Touch Ups and Change Orders (17:05) - Training Crews for GC Work (19:27) - Check Out "A Taste Of Coaching" from C4C! (20:49) - Segue Into Bidding Contracts (21:04) - Exclusions Save You (22:28) - Avoid Vague Scope (23:38) - Track Drawing Revisions (25:07) - Scope Creep Reality (26:14) - Project Management Roles (28:04) - Soft Skills On Site (30:26) - Handling Schedule Crunch (31:34) - Standing Up To Bullies (33:12) - Support Young Leaders (34:56) - Break Big Jobs Down (36:32) - Cash Flow And Getting Paid (38:19) - Payment Terms And Cutoffs (41:21) - Start Small And Scale (41:57) - Final Takeaways (43:08) - Thanks For Listening To Success Beyond The Brush!

    44 min
  3. SBTB Ep. 22 | Stop Managing on Feelings: How to Actually Measure Your Team

    May 5

    SBTB Ep. 22 | Stop Managing on Feelings: How to Actually Measure Your Team

    SIGN UP FOR A TASTE OF COACHING HERE 👇👇👇 Get coaching with SCOTT LOLLAR here Get coaching with RICK HOLTZ here ******************************In this episode of Success Beyond The Brush, Scott Lollar sits down with Rick Holtz to break down what it really takes to manage your management team effectively. Most contractors rely on gut feelings when evaluating their team—but that’s where things start to break down. Scott and Rick unpack how to move from emotional leadership to measurable leadership by focusing on clear expectations, consistent follow-up, and honest communication. They also dive into the uncomfortable—but necessary—side of leadership: having hard conversations, addressing performance issues, and knowing when it’s time to move on from someone. If you’ve ever felt unsure about how your team is actually performing—or struggled to hold people accountable—this episode gives you a practical framework to lead with clarity and confidence. 🔑 Key Takeaways  Why managing based on “feelings” leads to poor leadership decisions  The importance of metrics + feedback from the field How to ask better questions to uncover real team performance  Why clear expectations without follow-up destroys culture How to structure difficult conversations without creating defensiveness  The role of emotional intelligence in leadership  Why most team issues are actually process problems, not people problems How to know when it’s time to let someone go  Creating a culture where feedback flows up, down, and across🔗 Links from This Episode ✨ Free Discovery Call with Scott Lollar 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/discovery-call/ ✨ Free Discovery Call with Rick Holtz 👉 https://calendly.com/rick-fjo/60min 🏗️ Consulting 4 Contractors Website 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/ ⚙️ Operations Module Demo Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/0IUmPWk4GRI ✌️ Operations Module 2.0 Update Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/JTHtbLXyMBI 📲 C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/consulting4contractors/ 👥 C4C Facebook Community 👉 https://www.facebook.com/consulting4contractors/ 💼 C4C on LinkedIn 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/company/70241567 📧 Want to Be a Guest? Send us an email → info@c4c.team 🎧 Credits 🎙️ Hosts:Scott Lollar — Founder, Consulting4ContractorsRick Holtz - President, H.J. Holtz & Sons, Inc., Richmond, VA 🎵 Production:Siren Mastering — Original music, artwork, transcripts, show notes & audio engineeringhttps://www.sirenmastering.com (00:00) - C4C Special Offering (00:42) - Why Expectations Slip (01:30) - Welcome to Success Beyond The Brush (03:37) - Metrics And Field Feedback (06:26) - Investigate Before Judging (08:41) - Hard Conversations With Care (13:54) - Emotional Intelligence Under Stress (18:46) - Set Expectations Then Enforce (20:40) - C4C's "A Taste Of Coaching" (22:02) - Kill Gossip With Direct Talks (25:14) - Corrective Plans And Follow Up (27:21) - When To Let Someone Go (29:59) - Ask For Buy In And Root Causes (33:35) - Feedback You Need To Hear (36:40) - Thanks For Listening to Success Beyond The Brush!

    39 min
  4. SBTB Ep. 21 | Warranties, Callbacks & Profit Leaks (What Most Contractors Get Wrong)

    Apr 28

    SBTB Ep. 21 | Warranties, Callbacks & Profit Leaks (What Most Contractors Get Wrong)

    Springtime brings more than just busy schedules—it brings callbacks, warranty claims, and profit leaks. In this episode, Mark Black and Scott Lollar break down the real truth about warranties in the painting industry—what they should cover, what they shouldn’t, and how poor systems can quietly drain your bottom line. They discuss:  Why most warranty issues actually start in the sales process How vague contracts open the door to customer abuse  The dangers of “no questions asked” warranties  Why callbacks are profit killers, not just inconveniences The importance of final walkthroughs and “punch-as-you-go” systems How to properly set expectations for long-term results  Why goodwill matters—but boundaries matter more If you’ve ever felt frustrated by warranty calls or callbacks that shouldn’t exist, this episode gives you a practical framework to fix it—without hurting your customer experience. 🔗 Links from This Episode ✨ Free Discovery Call with Scott Lollar 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/discovery-call/ 🏗️ Consulting4Contractors Website 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/ ⚙️ Operations Module Demo Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/0IUmPWk4GRI ✌️ Operations Module 2.0 Update Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/JTHtbLXyMBI 📲 C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/consulting4contractors/ 👥 C4C Facebook Community 👉 https://www.facebook.com/consulting4contractors/ 💼 C4C on LinkedIn 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/company/70241567 📧 Want to Be a Guest? Send us an email → info@c4c.team 🎧 Credits 🎙️ Hosts:Scott Lollar — Founder, Consulting4ContractorsMark Black — Owner, Men In White Painting, Mt. Vernon, IL 🎵 Production:Siren Mastering — Original music, artwork, transcripts, show notes & audio engineeringhttps://www.sirenmastering.com (00:00) - No Questions Asked Mistake (00:54) - Welcome to Success Beyond The Brush (02:39) - Spring Warranty Call Surge (03:57) - Why Callbacks Kill Profit (06:08) - Set Expectations In Sales (08:46) - Put Standards In Contract (09:45) - What Warranties Cover (12:42) - Midpoint Break - Connect With Scott Today! (13:35) - Schedule Warranty Work Fast (16:29) - Walkthroughs And Punch Lists (20:29) - Final Takeaways (22:59) - Wrap Up And Subscribe

    24 min
  5. SBTB Ep. 20 | The Forgotten Phase of Customer Experience: Pre-Production Mistakes Contractors Make

    Apr 21

    SBTB Ep. 20 | The Forgotten Phase of Customer Experience: Pre-Production Mistakes Contractors Make

    Many contractors excel at sales or production… but fail in the space in between. In this episode of Success Beyond The Brush, Mark Black and Scott Lollar discuss one of the most overlooked opportunities to create a premium customer experience: the pre-production phase. After the contract is signed but before the project begins, many companies unintentionally create frustration, uncertainty, and doubt due to lack of communication and unclear expectations. Mark and Scott break down how contractors can:  Maintain trust after the sale  Reduce customer anxiety during long scheduling timelines  Build systems that create a “white-glove” experience  Improve referrals and repeat business  Eliminate common pre-production breakdowns The reality is simple: customers don’t just evaluate your craftsmanship — they evaluate your communication. If your company wants to stand out as a premium service provider, your pre-production systems must be just as strong as your sales and production systems. Key Topics Covered  Why the period between sale and production is critical  The psychology of customer uncertainty  How silence damages trust  Building a structured pre-production workflow  Using CRM automations to improve communication  Setting expectations with timelines and touchpoints  Pre-production checklists for materials, colors, and logistics  Why premium pricing requires premium experience  How great communication increases repeat business and referrals 🔗 Links from This Episode ✨ Free Discovery Call with Scott Lollar 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/discovery-call/ 🏗️ Consulting 4 Contractors Website 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/ ⚙️ Operations Module Demo Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/0IUmPWk4GRI ✌️ Operations Module 2.0 Update Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/JTHtbLXyMBI 📲 C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/consulting4contractors/ 👥 C4C Facebook Community 👉 https://www.facebook.com/consulting4contractors/ 💼 C4C on LinkedIn 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/company/70241567 📧 Want to Be a Guest? Send us an email → info@c4c.team 🎧 Credits 🎙️ Hosts:Scott Lollar — Founder, Consulting 4 ContractorsMark Black — Owner, Men In White Painting, Mt. Vernon, IL 🎵 Production:Siren Mastering — Original music, artwork, transcripts, show notes & audio engineeringhttps://www.sirenmastering.com (00:00) - Hunter Handoff and Brand Promise (01:01) - Welcome To Success Beyond The Brush (01:49) - Defining Pre Production Wasteland (03:02) - Wait Times and Lost Clients (05:55) - Psychology of Silence (08:27) - Communication and Time Respect (10:17) - Restaurant Waitlist Analogy (13:09) - Fear Reduction and Liaison Role (15:35) - Automation and Pre Production Systems (18:58) - Set Expectations Early (19:23) - Stay In Touch While Waiting (19:50) - Painter Story Communication Gap (20:45) - Midshow Break (22:16) - Pre Production Email Template (24:55) - Scope Colors Materials Prep (27:48) - Avoid Last Minute Scramble (29:44) - Day One Walkthrough Handoff (34:56) - White Glove Service Mindset (36:09) - Thanks For Listening to Success Beyond The Brush!

    37 min
  6. SBTB Ep. 19 | Why Goals, Budgets, and Projections Separate Growing Contractors from Struggling Ones

    Apr 14

    SBTB Ep. 19 | Why Goals, Budgets, and Projections Separate Growing Contractors from Struggling Ones

    👉 Book your FREE discovery call with Rick today 👈 Most contractors have revenue goals… but very few have a clear plan to reach them. In this episode, Scott Lollar interviews Rick Holtz, owner of HJ Holtz & Sons Painting and a Consulting4Contractors coach, about the practical process of turning business vision into measurable results. Rick shares how his company shifted from operating without structured planning to building a culture centered around clear targets, financial visibility, and team accountability. They discuss how successful companies:  Use historical data to set realistic growth expectations  Align leadership teams around shared goals  Track KPIs consistently throughout the year  Adjust plans when conditions change  Balance financial performance with team wellbeing  Know when to expand services or stay focused on core strengths Rick also explains how transparency with employees around company performance creates stronger engagement, motivation, and trust — especially when profit sharing or performance incentives are involved. Key Topics Covered  Why goals without a plan rarely produce results  Using historical data to build realistic projections  Balancing revenue targets with operational capacity  How leadership teams collaborate to set company goals  Why KPIs should go beyond just revenue numbers  Tracking labor efficiency and reducing costly “go-backs”  Creating clarity around team roles and expectations  The importance of communicating company goals to employees  Using visual tracking tools to drive team accountability  How to know when to hire key management roles  Avoiding ego-driven business decisions  Working the plan instead of constantly chasing new ideasWhether you’re trying to scale past your current revenue plateau or simply want more control over your business results, this episode provides a practical framework for creating intentional growth. 🔗 Links from This Episode ✨ Free Discovery Call with Scott Lollar 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/discovery-call/ ✨ Free Discovery Call with Rick Holtz 👉 https://calendly.com/rick-fjo/60min 🏗️ Consulting 4 Contractors Website 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/ ⚙️ Operations Module Demo Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/0IUmPWk4GRI ✌️ Operations Module 2.0 Update Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/JTHtbLXyMBI 📲 C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/consulting4contractors/ 👥 C4C Facebook Community 👉 https://www.facebook.com/consulting4contractors/ 💼 C4C on LinkedIn 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/company/70241567 📧 Want to Be a Guest? Send us an email → info@c4c.team 🎧 Credits 🎙️ Hosts:Scott Lollar — Founder, Consulting4ContractorsRick Holtz - President, H.J. Holtz & Sons, Inc., Richmond, VA 🎵 Production:Siren Mastering — Original music, artwork, transcripts, show notes & audio engineeringhttps://www.sirenmastering.com (00:00) - Team Goal Wall Chart (00:52) - Welcome to Success Beyond The Brush (02:27) - Why Plans Matter (03:07) - Building Annual Plan (05:08) - Management Team Buy In (06:30) - Raising The Bar (07:48) - Beyond Revenue KPIs (09:01) - Non Money Targets (11:16) - Inclusive Planning Culture (14:55) - Saying No To Services (19:44) - Companywide Goal Rollout (22:21) - Coaching With Consulting4Contractors (23:42) - Transparency Builds Culture (24:55) - Tracking And Adjusting (25:23) - Business Rhythm Checks (26:38) - Monthly And Job KPIs (28:38) - Avoiding Catastrophic Q1 (29:48) - March Goalboard Turnaround (32:44) - Visual Goals And Buy In (35:43) - When To Hire Leaders (39:16) - Strategic Timing For Hires (42:48) - Coaching Invite And Wrap

    45 min
  7. SBTB Ep. 18 | Hiring Painters in a Seasonal Business – What Actually Works

    Apr 7

    SBTB Ep. 18 | Hiring Painters in a Seasonal Business – What Actually Works

    Hiring is one of the most consistent challenges facing contractors, regardless of company size. In this episode, Mark Black speaks with Rick Holtz about how successful painting companies approach hiring, onboarding, and training new team members — especially as the busy season approaches. Rick shares insights from managing a large team of 60+ field employees, including how his company maintains steady staffing throughout the year, how they evaluate potential hires, and why company culture plays such a significant role in retention. The discussion highlights the three traits Rick believes every successful hire must have: skill (or willingness to learn), dependability, and a positive attitude. Without all three, long-term success becomes difficult for both the employee and the company. They also explore practical topics such as: • How to handle seasonal hiring fluctuations • How to structure training time without damaging job profitability • The importance of crew leaders embracing their role in developing new hires • The challenges of setting compensation ranges when hiring skilled employees • How company culture influences employee referrals and retention Whether you're hiring your first employee or your fiftieth, this conversation reinforces that the fundamentals of leadership, culture, and accountability remain the same at every stage of business growth. It’s about who you are. 🔗 Links from This Episode ✨ Free Discovery Call with Scott Lollar 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/discovery-call/ 🏗️ Consulting 4 Contractors Website 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/ ⚙️ Operations Module Demo Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/0IUmPWk4GRI ✌️ Operations Module 2.0 Update Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/JTHtbLXyMBI 📲 C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/consulting4contractors/ 👥 C4C Facebook Community 👉 https://www.facebook.com/consulting4contractors/ 💼 C4C on LinkedIn 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/company/70241567 📧 Want to Be a Guest? Send us an email → info@c4c.team 🎧 Credits 🎙️ Hosts:Mark Black — Owner, Men In White Painting, Mt. Vernon, ILRick Holtz - President, H.J. Holtz & Sons, Inc., Richmond, VA 🎵 Production:Siren Mastering — Original music, artwork, transcripts, show notes & audio engineeringhttps://www.sirenmastering.com (00:00) - Three Key Traits (00:45) - Welcome To Success Beyond The Brush (01:32) - Gear Up For Spring (02:14) - Seasonal Hiring Rush (03:22) - Winter Workers Dilemma (04:38) - Team Culture Hook (05:22) - No Need For Layoffs (07:14) - Ideal Candidate Profile (10:01) - Hiring Process Walkthrough (10:51) - Training And Job Costing (12:33) - Ninety Day Integration (13:08) - Fire Faster Gut Check (14:15) - Welcoming New Hires (16:27) - Visit Us Online For A Free Discovery Call! (17:21) - Hiring Ads Teaser (17:28) - Hiring Ads That Work (18:26) - Referral Bonuses And Culture Fit (19:42) - Finding Skilled Painters (21:01) - Why New Hires Leave (22:34) - Field Training And Skill Gaps (25:18) - Building A Skill Checklist (26:27) - Onboarding And Owner Orientation (29:47) - Pay Ranges And Wage Compression (32:52) - Wrap Up And Key Takeaways (34:13) - Podcast Outro And Next Steps

    35 min
  8. SBTB Ep. 17 | From $200K in Debt to a $3M Target: The Power of Strategic Focus

    Mar 31

    SBTB Ep. 17 | From $200K in Debt to a $3M Target: The Power of Strategic Focus

    What happens when your biggest customers are actually your biggest problem? In this episode of Success Beyond The Brush, we revisit a conversation that Scott originally had on the Beyond A Million DollarPodcast, sitting down with Phil VanderLaan of PMV Painting to unpack a journey that many contractors quietly experience: growing revenue while losing profit. Phil shares how a major commercial project left his company over $200,000 in debt, why his new construction work was draining his margins, and how a strategic shift toward profitable services transformed his business. Through disciplined focus, better financial visibility, and the courage to say no to the wrong customers, Phil repositioned his company for sustainable growth and long-term scalability. PMV Painting operates with a strong leadership structure, a highly efficient spray division, and, at the time of the original recording, saw a clear roadmap toward a $3M revenue target — all without sacrificing culture or quality of life.  Today, PMV is well beyond that mark, and maintaining all of those identifiers of a healthy and growing contracting business.  If you've ever felt stuck between growth and profitability, this episode provides a practical roadmap for making smarter decisions about customers, services, and leadership. 🔗 Links from This Episode PMV Painting in Kalamazoo, MI. ✨ Free Discovery Call with Scott Lollar 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/discovery-call/ 🏗️ Consulting 4 Contractors Website 👉 https://consulting4contractors.com/ ⚙️ Operations Module Demo Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/0IUmPWk4GRI ✌️ Operations Module 2.0 Update Video (YouTube) 👉 https://youtu.be/JTHtbLXyMBI 📲 C4C on Instagram 👉 https://www.instagram.com/consulting4contractors/ 👥 C4C Facebook Community 👉 https://www.facebook.com/consulting4contractors/ 💼 C4C on LinkedIn 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/company/70241567 📧 Want to Be a Guest? Send us an email → info@c4c.team 🎧 Credits 🎙️ Hosts:Scott Lollar — Founder, Consulting4ContractorsPhil VanderLaan — CEO, PMV Painting, Kalamazoo, MI. 🎵 Production:Siren Mastering — Original music, artwork, transcripts, show notes & audio engineeringhttps://www.sirenmastering.com (00:00) - Profit Wake Up Call (01:08) - Welcome to Success Beyond The Brush (02:37) - From Canada to Painting Startup (05:21) - Early Growth and New Builds (06:44) - Floor Coatings Detour (08:06) - Spray Booth and Staying in Lane (09:10) - Commercial Expansion and Thin Support (10:34) - The Exchange Project Crisis (11:55) - Finding a Coach and Turning Around (13:25) - Cutting Unprofitable Work (15:11) - Mid Episode Break (16:12) - Repaint Focus and Debt Free (18:20) - Scaling the Spray Division (20:06) - EOS Org Chart and Team Structure (22:15) - Culture Benefits and Hiring (25:10) - Tech Stack That Runs It (27:04) - Future Plans and Letting Go (30:09) - Advice on Profit and Coaching (32:09) - Wrap Up and Next Episode

    33 min

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About

Host Scott Lollar is a 35-year veteran of the painting industry and founder of Consulting4Contractors. The 'Success Beyond The Brush' Podcast serves as a touchpoint to painting contractors who have hustled, sacrificed, and worked hard to get their business to where it is today. Now, you need the guidance, expertise, experience, and team to make it into the multi-million-dollar company of your dreams. You'll hear stories and interviews from "Brothers of the Brush" and "Sisters of the Sprayer" who have been where you are and are charting a new course for their company's success. Listen in and go beyond $1,000,000!

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