Unravelling

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How can a deeper understanding of mental health help us see our world, and ourselves, differently? Hosted by therapist Kurt White and journalist Mary Wilson, each episode of Unravelling explores a complex mental health topic with insights from both professionals and people with lived experience. Whether you're trying to make sense of the world or just the slice of it inside of your head, Unravelling is here to foster a more compassionate and informed perspective on life.

  1. Sep 23

    Let's make some sawdust: Tom Bodett on woodworking & recovery

    In this episode of Unravelling, Kurt sits down with Tom Bodett, lifelong carpenter, broadcaster, and co-founder of HatchSpace, a community woodworking school and shop in Brattleboro, Vermont. Sober for 34 years, Tom reflects on what led him to recovery and the unexpected connection he eventually discovered between sobriety and woodworking. Tom shares how making things may help repair some of the damage caused by addiction, engaging the brain through spatial reasoning and focused, absorbing work. As Tom puts it, "You're taking the medicine and you don't know it." He explores how those ideas led to HatchSpace and how what began as an idea for a place where woodworkers could share tools turned into a place for people who wanted to learn, make, and belong. Along the way, Tom and Kurt consider how making things can help us connect with ourselves and each other. A conversation about recovery, creativity, community, and the many ways we keep recovering. Links HatchSpaceBook: Flow (mentioned in episode)Turning Point of Windham County

  2. Sep 9

    What the circus can teach us about mental health

    In this episode of Unravelling, we’re talking about circus arts and mental health with two people behind A Little Unwell, a circus variety show coming to Brattleboro, VT, this October through a partnership between the Brattleboro Retreat and the New England Center for Circus Arts (NECCA). First, Mary talks with Caytha Jentis, director of the show, about how she turned a personal story about anxiety into a circus performance. Then, she talks with Hayley Brown, an aerialist and performer whose work explores anxiety, rumination and what it means to get out of your head and into your body. The conversations explore what happens when personal experiences become movement, and why circus can be such a powerful way to tell stories that can sometimes be difficult to put into words. Caytha also talks about finding your flow, that moment when you stop overthinking and simply become immersed in what you’re doing. For both Caytha and Hayley, circus offers a way to connect with the body, express something personal and find a different way of understanding mental health. Tickets to A Little Unwell (October 10-11, 2026): A Little Unwell - New England Center for Circus Arts

  3. Aug 26

    Releasing with joy: Inside hoarding recovery

    In this episode of Unravelling explores hoarding disorder through the lived experience of Marnie Cooper, an acting teacher, coach, wife, and mother who has openly shared her journey through her online project, A Hoarder Comes Clean. Building on a previous conversation with hoarding expert Dr. Randy Frost, Marnie shares how her relationship with “stuff” began in childhood and how painful wake-up calls eventually led her to seek help and connect with others who understood her experience. Marnie discusses the psychology behind hoarding, including perfectionism, fear of making mistakes, and the deep emotional meaning objects can hold. She shares what she has learned about tolerating the discomfort of letting go, finding meaning beyond possessions, and “releasing with joy” by donating or giving things to others. She also reflects on the impact hoarding has had on her family and relationships and the importance of empathy, patience, and allowing people to make changes when they are ready. Her story offers hope while encouraging greater understanding and compassion for those living with hoarding disorder. Links Marnie's YouTube channel: A Hoarder Comes Clean - YouTube Marnie's Facebook account: A Hoarder Comes Clean | Facebook

  4. Aug 12

    It’s not about clutter: Why we misunderstand hoarding

    In this episode of Unravelling, Kurt interviews renowned psychologist Dr. Randy O. Frost, a pioneering researcher in hoarding disorder, who explains what clinically significant hoarding looks like and why it’s about far more than clutter or cleanliness. At the heart of hoarding, he explains, are powerful emotional attachments to possessions, and the anxiety, grief, and meaning tied to letting them go. Dr. Frost explores how hoarding often begins in adolescence and can intensify over decades, affecting relationships, families, and daily life. He discusses the roles of trauma, anxiety sensitivity, and difficulty tolerating distress, as well as the many reasons people save things. The conversation also examines treatment, emphasizing that lasting change comes not from big clean-outs, but from reshaping the relationship with possessions and learning to tolerate the distress of discarding. Throughout the episode, Dr. Frost shares clinical stories, including the story of Marnie Cooper, who documented her own struggle with hoarding and recovery. Her story sets the stage for the next episode of Unravelling, when Marnie joins Mary to speak candidly about her lived experience, what it took to confront her relationship with possessions, and what recovery continues to look like. Buy Dr. Randy O. Frost's book, Stuff: Compulsive Hoarding and the Meaning of Things More about Dr. Randy O. Frost

  5. Jul 29

    Extension of your mind: Navigating complexity beyond the individual

    In this episode of Unravelling, Kurt White sits down with psychiatrist and bioethicist Dr. Anthony Peter Weiss, Chief Medical Officer at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and an Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, to explore how our brains navigate an increasingly complex world. From the brain's limited energy supply to its remarkable ability to build mental "maps" of reality, Dr. Weiss explains why relying on tools, technology, and other people isn't a weakness, but a fundamental part of being human. The conversation explores how we naturally offload cognitive and emotional burdens through writing, relationships, group therapy, and even artificial intelligence. Dr. Weiss shares insights into why structured environments like inpatient psychiatric units can be so healing, how depression can emerge when the brain becomes overwhelmed, and why meaningful human connection remains one of our greatest resources for resilience. Dr. Weiss encourages listeners to protect the brain's limited energy through healthy routines, intentional rest, and meaningful relationships, while embracing the tools and communities that help us thrive. Dr. Antony Weiss's website

  6. Jul 15

    Who deserves to exist?: The dark history of eugenics

    In this episode of Unravelling, Kurt White interviews Mercedes de Guardiola, historian and author of "Vermont for the Vermonters": The History of Eugenics in the Green Mountain State, to examine the history of eugenics and its profound impact on mental health care. Together, they explore how the movement gained mainstream support, how pseudoscience was used to justify forced sterilization and lifelong institutionalization, and how people with mental illness, disabilities, and other marginalized groups became targets of policies rooted in fear, prejudice, and misinformation. The conversation also explores the lasting legacy of eugenics, from the rise and fall of large institutions to the modern ethical questions surrounding genetic testing, artificial intelligence, and the collection of personal health data. The episode explores how some of these ideas still show up today, while recognizing the progress that has been made in reducing stigma and affirming that every person has inherent value and dignity. Links Buy Mercedes de Guardiola's book, "Vermont for the Vermonters": The History of Eugenics in the Green Mountain State.Mercedes de Guardiola's professional website

  7. Jun 30

    The ethics of ought (not) to: Conversion practices

    Special day early episode drop for this, our third episode of our Pride Month series on conversion practices, we welcome Dr. Gerald (Jerry) Davison, a pioneering psychologist whose work helped change the mental health field's understanding of sexual orientation. Dr. Davison reflects on his early career in the 1960s, when homosexuality was still classified as a mental disorder and attempts to change sexual orientation were considered acceptable practice. He shares how experience and evidence led him to reject these approaches and become an early advocate for gay-affirmative therapy.Dr. Davison recounts the pivotal moments that changed his thinking, including a landmark 1972 conference where conversations with LGBTQ+ activists challenged the ethics of conversion practices. He discusses the professional risks of publicly opposing efforts to change a person's sexual orientation, the resistance he encountered, and the heartfelt responses from LGBTQ+ clinicians and individuals who found hope in his message.The conversation also examines the lasting harm caused by conversion practices and why they continue despite decades of evidence. Dr. Davison reflects on the responsibility of therapists to combine scientific evidence with ethical care and to always "do no harm." This episode offers an important historical perspective and a timely reminder of the need for affirming, compassionate mental health care for LGBTQIA+ people. Links"Conversion" (2022) documentary on Amazon PrimeMore about Dr. Gerald DavisonTrevor Project (Affirming care resources)

  8. Jun 17

    The burden compounds: Conversion practices

    The second episode of Unravelling’s Pride Month series examines the hidden human and economic costs of so-called conversion therapy. Kurt speaks with health economist and professor Ben Harrell, Ph.D., of Trinity University, on how these discredited practices shape not only mental health outcomes but also education, employment, and long-term financial well-being by disrupting what economists call human capital. Dr. Harrell highlights elevated risks of depression, anxiety, suicidality, and family disruption among those subjected to conversion efforts, with particularly severe impacts on transgender and gender-expansive people. He also reviews research on state bans, including evidence that protections are associated with reduced suicidal ideation among high school students. Grounding the data in lived experience, the episode reflects on young people navigating non-affirming religious environments and the long process of reclaiming identity. Dr. Harrell offers compassionate guidance for families and youth, emphasizing affirmation, dignity, and the importance of safe spaces that honor both faith and identity. Links - Ben Harrell, Ph.D.  Dr. Harrell's Google Scholar Page

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How can a deeper understanding of mental health help us see our world, and ourselves, differently? Hosted by therapist Kurt White and journalist Mary Wilson, each episode of Unravelling explores a complex mental health topic with insights from both professionals and people with lived experience. Whether you're trying to make sense of the world or just the slice of it inside of your head, Unravelling is here to foster a more compassionate and informed perspective on life.

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  • Creator
    Charts & Leisure
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    61
  • Rating
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    © Brattleboro Retreat
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