Today, Matt speaks with Maya van Rossum, founder of Green Amendments For The Generations and the Delaware Riverkeeper, about putting the right to clean air, pure water and a healthy environment into state constitutions. Maya tells the story of how she and seven municipalities challenged Pennsylvania's pro-fracking law using a constitutional right that had been ignored for 40 years, and won at the state Supreme Court in 2013. She explains what makes a Green Amendment different from the environmental laws already on the books, why it was the key to the youth climate win in Held v. Montana, and what happened when California's version started to get watered down. Plus, how communities are using the Green Amendment to push back on data centers, her new lawsuit over projects that get "deemed approved" without a single public hearing, and why a Capitol rally in Pennsylvania brought progressives and Trump supporters together on the same side. Find out if your state has a Green Amendment effort at https://forthegenerations.org Subscribe now on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get podcasts. GUEST BIO Maya K. van Rossum is the founder of Green Amendments For The Generations, a national nonprofit working to secure the right to a clean, safe and healthy environment in every state constitution and, eventually, the U.S. Constitution. For more than 30 years she has also served as the Delaware Riverkeeper, leading the Delaware Riverkeeper Network across the four states of the Delaware River watershed. She was a lead petitioner in Robinson Township v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (2013), which struck down key parts of the pro-fracking Act 13 and brought Pennsylvania's Environmental Rights Amendment back to life. She is the author of The Green Amendment, now in its second edition, and an attorney licensed in Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Washington, D.C. EPISODE RESOURCES Green Amendments For The Generations: https://forthegenerations.org Delaware Riverkeeper Network: https://delawareriverkeeper.org The Green Amendment (2nd edition): https://www.porchlightbooks.com/products/green-amendment-maya-k-van-rossum-9781633310643 A Climate Change on Apple: https://bit.ly/accapplepodcast A Climate Change on Spotify: https://bit.ly/accspotifypodcast A Climate Change on YouTube: https://bit.ly/ACCvids YOUTUBE CHAPTERS 0:00 Cold Open 0:41 Intro: A Climate Change Welcomes Maya van Rossum 1:08 How a Forgotten Right Beat Pennsylvania's Fracking Law 6:01 "Is This All There Is?" Starting the Green Amendment Movement 7:28 Why Held v. Montana Won 9:46 Which States Have a Green Amendment? 11:29 Why California Doesn't Have One Yet 13:28 What's Changed in Pennsylvania Since the Win 17:14 Rights of Nature vs. Green Amendments 20:45 Fighting Data Centers and the "Deemed Approved" Lawsuit 24:15 Liberals and Trumpsters Rally Against Data Centers 26:32 The Abundance Movement and Data Centers 29:55 How to Bring a Green Amendment to Your State 31:57 Outro MORE ABOUT A CLIMATE CHANGE WITH MATT MATERN A Climate Change with Matt Matern is a podcast dedicated to addressing the pressing issue of climate change while inspiring action and fostering a sustainable future. Each episode dives deep into the environmental challenges of our time, rising global temperatures, extreme weather events, and resource degradation, breaking down complex topics into digestible insights. The podcast goes beyond merely raising awareness. It serves as a trusted resource for practical, actionable solutions that empower listeners to reduce their carbon footprint and drive change in their communities. With a strong focus on environmental science and expert perspectives, host Matt Matern brings influential voices to the forefront, highlighting innovative ideas and collaborative efforts shaping global sustainability initiatives. More than just a source of information, A Climate Change is a movement. It builds a coalition of like-minded individuals committed to preserving the planet for future generations. Listeners are invited to participate actively in creating a legacy of positive environmental impact through informed decision-making and collective action. The podcast, available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube, provides a platform for science-backed discussions, global perspectives, and community building. 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CURATED LIST OF EPISODES If you enjoyed this episode of A Climate Change, here is a list of some recent episodes curated especially for you: Regan George - our latest episode, and the opposing take on data centers: Regan wants data centers to pay for batteries in the homes around them, while Maya is helping communities stop them Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/266-your-garage-could-be-part-of-a-power-plant-w-regan-george/id1557317787?i=1000797597786 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVtGnUUB-P8 Jim Murphy - the federal side of the fight: EPA's plan to strip Clean Water Act protections, which is exactly the kind of rollback Maya says state Green Amendments can backstop Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/262-epas-new-water-rule-could-strip-protections-from/id1557317787?i=1000791511795 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtzbxhy6y1M Michael Gerrard - climate litigation and why states are leading; a direct companion to Maya's courtroom wins in Pennsylvania and Held v. Montana Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/228-the-legal-war-on-fossil-fuels/id1557317787?i=1000749488747 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9R8w04zjwY