The MLO Project

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Dismantling the Status Quo, One Episode at a Time.  The MLO Project is THE podcast for loan officers and industry professionals who are ready to evolve. We’re here to disrupt the old guard, break free from outdated norms, and deliver insights that actually matter. Hosted by mortgage industry veterans Jason Frazier & Michael McAllister, The MLO Project promises No fluff. No clichés. Just real talk, fresh ideas, and actionable takeaways to elevate your career and the industry.The MLO Project is presented by Empower LO

  1. APR 23

    Your Excuses Are Bull$hit and You Know It | Ep. 60

    Send us Fan Mail This one pulls no punches. Frazier and Michael go straight at two of the most common excuses in today’s market: 👉 “I’m not techie” 👉 “I have ADHD” And they’re not buying either one. In a market that’s evolving faster than ever, these aren’t just harmless statements—they’re self-imposed ceilings. If you’re using them to justify inaction, you’re already falling behind. This episode is a reality check on accountability, adaptation, and why the people winning right now aren’t more talented—they’re just less attached to their excuses. What You’ll Learn Why “I’m not techie” is no longer a valid excuse in 2026 The difference between a real challenge vs a convenient crutch How top producers actually use ADHD as an advantage Why refusing to adapt is the fastest way out of this business The simple reps that eliminate “tech confusion” forever How mindset—not tools—is the real bottleneck Real Talk Quotes: “If you can use a phone, you’re techie. Stop lying to yourself.” “You’re not bad at tech—you’re just not willing to practice.” “ADHD isn’t your limitation. It’s your excuse.” “Technology isn’t slowing down for you.” “Don’t want it if you’re not willing to do what it takes.” Tactical Takeaways ✅ Spend one focused hour learning your CRM or tools—reps remove confusion ✅ Stop labeling yourself—start building capability ✅ If you won’t learn it, hire someone who will ✅ Treat tech like pricing loans—you didn’t know it until you practiced ✅ Use AI as leverage, not an excuse ✅ Eliminate language that limits your growth (“I can’t,” “I’m not”) The Big Idea Excuses feel productive… but they don’t move anything forward. And in today’s market, the gap between those who adapt and those who don’t is getting wider by the day. The Reality Check The market is already hard. Why make it harder by: Fighting technology Avoiding growth Talking yourself out of progress Every excuse you stack… is just more weight you’re carrying uphill. You Don't Need Another CRM! You Need a Growth Engine. Find out more at Empower LO or BrokerFuel

    29 min

  2. APR 16

    The Industry Lied to You About “The Right Way” to Win | Ep. 59

    Send us Fan Mail Most loan officers aren’t failing because they’re not working hard enough. They’re failing because they’re building a business that doesn’t fit them. In this episode, Frazier and Michael break down one of the most overlooked problems in the mortgage industry: misalignment between your strengths and your business model. You’re told to:  Prospect like this  Build relationships like that  Post content like them But what if none of that actually fits who you are? This conversation flips the script—forcing you to stop copying success and start building your version of it. What You’ll Learn  Why modeling your business after others can backfire  The difference between growth discomfort vs misalignment How to identify your actual strengths (not what you wish they were)  Why some LOs win quietly—and others burn out loudly  The biggest mistake people make when choosing a business model  How to build a model that actually fits your personality and skillset Real Talk Quotes  “You’re building someone else’s business and wondering why it’s not working.”  “There’s zero value in trying to fix your weaknesses when your strengths can carry you.”  “Laziness is not a strength. Comfort is not a strategy.”  “The loudest people in the industry aren’t always the best models to follow.”  “You don’t need the right way. You need your way.” Tactical Takeaways ✅ Identify your top strengths before choosing a business model ✅ Stop forcing yourself into strategies that feel unnatural ✅ Double down on what you’re already good at ✅ Use tools like Clifton Strengths to gain clarity ✅ Separate fear-based avoidance from true misalignment ✅ Build a business that fits your personality—not someone else’s highlight reel The Big Idea There isn’t one way to win in this industry. There are thousands of ways—but only a few that will work for you. The problem? Most people pick a model based on:  What looks cool  What’s loud  What someone told them works Instead of asking: “What am I actually built for?” The Reality Check If your business feels like a grind every day… If you’re constantly forcing yourself into activities you hate… If you’re watching others win and wondering what you’re missing… You’re probably not broken. You’re just misaligned. Why This Episode Matters The next level in your business isn’t more tactics. It’s more clarity. Because when your business aligns with your strengths:  You move faster  You burn out less  You win more consistently Resources Mentioned 📘 StrengthsFinder 2.0 (includes CliftonStrengths assessment) 📘 The Five Dysfunctions of a Team You Don't Need Another CRM! You Need a Growth Engine. Find out more at Empower LO or BrokerFuel

    33 min

  3. APR 9

    You Can Either Outsell the Shift or Get Crushed By It | Ep. 58

    Send us Fan Mail The market isn’t “getting tough.”  It’s changing. And most loan officers are still operating like it’s 2021. In this episode, Frazier and Michael break down the reality of the new economy—where AI, inflation, global conflict, and shifting consumer behavior are rewriting the rules in real time. No predictions. No false hope. Just a blunt question: 👉 If the market flipped tomorrow… would your business survive, thrive, or fail? Because what worked post-COVID won’t work now. And the ones who figure that out first? They win. What You’ll Learn  Why trying to predict rates is a losing game  The difference between building for hope vs reality How AI will reshape your borrower base (not just your workflow)  Why most business models today are fragile  The real balance between cutting costs vs driving revenue What it actually means to “outsell the shift” Real Talk Quotes  “Hope is not a strategy. It’s gambling.”  “You can’t control the market—but you can control your output.”  “You don’t cut your way to success.”  “Most people are building for a market that doesn’t exist.”  “You have to outsell the shift. That’s it.” Tactical Takeaways ✅ Stop trying to predict rates—build for uncertainty instead ✅ Focus on sales activity, not just optimization ✅ Get lean—but don’t starve your ability to produce ✅ Avoid over-investing in tools that don’t drive revenue ✅ Build a model that works in any market condition ✅ Use AI as leverage—not a distraction The Big Idea This isn’t just another cycle. It’s a reshuffle.  Borrowers are changing  Income structures are changing  The workforce is changing And if your business depends on “things going back to normal”…you’re already behind. The Reality Check You can’t: ❌ Predict the market ❌ Control rates ❌ Wait for conditions to improve You CAN: ✔ Control your discipline ✔ Control your activity ✔ Control your positioning Why This Episode Matters Most loan officers are reacting. The best ones are preparing. This episode forces you to look at your business honestly: 👉 Is it built to last… or built to hope? Because the next shift won’t ask for permission. Powered By Empower LO DIFRNT Coaching

    30 min

  4. APR 2

    Poaching, Data Theft, and Why This Industry Is Broken | Ep. 57

    Send us Fan Mail This one gets heated. On this episode of The MLO Project, Frazier and Michael break down a real-world lawsuit involving loan officer poaching, data handling, and alleged email surveillance, and what it exposes about the mortgage industry. Spoiler: nobody looks clean. From loan officers forwarding borrower files… To lenders locking people out overnight… To shady transitions and broken trust… This episode pulls back the curtain on a problem the industry avoids: how deals, data, and relationships are handled when people move. Because this isn’t just about lawsuits. It’s about ethics, liability, and doing right by the borrower. What You’ll Learn  Who actually owns borrower data (legally vs emotionally)  Why transferring loan files between lenders is a massive liability  The real reason lenders clamp down when people leave  How “poaching” situations spiral into lawsuits  The hidden risks of using company devices for personal activity  Why this entire situation creates a lose-lose for everyone Real Talk Quotes  “You don’t own the borrower. You earned their attention.”  “That data legally does not belong to you.”  “Forwarding borrower info isn’t helping—it’s exposing everyone.”  “Consumers didn’t sign up for your internal drama.”  “This gives the entire industry a black eye.” Tactical Takeaways ✅ Never transfer borrower files without proper authorization ✅ Separate contact info from sensitive loan data ✅ Assume anything on a company device is visible ✅ Create a clean transition plan before leaving a lender ✅ Leaders should standardize how exits are handled ✅ Protect the borrower first—everything else is secondary The Big Idea The industry has created a broken system. Loan officers feel ownership… Lenders carry the liability… And borrowers get caught in the middle. Until there’s a clear, ethical standard for transitions, this cycle will repeat. And every time it does… trust erodes. Why This Episode Matters Consumers already don’t trust the mortgage industry. Situations like this make it worse. This isn’t just about who’s right or wrong in a lawsuit. It’s about raising the standard across the board:  Better leadership  Better processes  Better protection for borrowers Because if we don’t fix it… someone else will—through regulation. Powered By Empower LO DIFRNT Coaching Helping loan officers build real businesses without shortcuts, without chaos, and without cutting corners.

    38 min

  5. MAR 24

    Your Pipeline Shouldn’t Look Like a Science Project | Ep. 56

    Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Frazier and Michael break down one of the biggest silent killers in production: overcomplicated CRMs and bloated pipelines. 15 stages. Endless automations. “What if” scenarios everywhere. It feels productive. It’s not. This conversation cuts through the noise and shows you how to simplify your pipeline, clean up your CRM, and actually use your system the way it was meant to be used—to close more loans. Because here’s the truth: Complex systems don’t scale. What You’ll Learn  Why most loan officer pipelines are completely overbuilt  The real purpose of pipeline stages (and what they are NOT)  How to identify bottlenecks in your sales process instantly  Why “edge cases” should NOT become pipeline stages  The difference between leads vs. real opportunities  How poor pipeline hygiene is quietly killing your production Real Talk Quotes  “Complexity is the enemy of execution.”  “You built your system based on your feelings, not your data.”  “If you’re not willing to follow up, get it out of your pipeline.”  “This isn’t a high score game. More leads in your pipeline isn’t better.”  “Most of those ‘opportunities’ were never deals to begin with.” Tactical Takeaways ✅ Keep your pipeline to 5–8 stages max ✅ Build stages around actual drop-off points, not “what if” scenarios ✅ Use tags and custom fields, not extra stages, for edge cases ✅ Every opportunity should have a real follow-up scheduled ✅ If you wouldn’t follow up with them… remove them from the pipeline ✅ Clean pipeline = clear decisions = more closings The Big Idea Your CRM should give you clarity. If it gives you confusion, it’s broken. The goal is to build a system you actually use. Because the best pipeline is the one that helps you take action. Why This Episode Matters Loan officers everywhere are wasting time managing systems instead of generating revenue. They’re tweaking workflows… Building automations… Adding stages… And closing fewer deals. This episode flips that. It shows you how to simplify your process, eliminate noise, and focus on what actually drives results: conversations, follow-up, and execution. The MLO Project is EMPOWERED by: Empower LO

    37 min

  6. MAR 18

    The Internet Is Getting Dumber. Don't Get Dumber With It | Ep. 55

    Send us Fan Mail This episode is a straight shot at the junk flooding your feed. Frazier and Michael break down the rise of fake engagement posts, real estate mastermind nonsense, AI generated garbage, and why too many people are getting pulled into content that has zero value. From ridiculous Facebook group drama to obvious bait posts and recycled AI takes, this conversation is all about protecting your attention and staying focused on what actually matters. The big takeaway: in a world full of slop, being real is your edge. If everyone else is sounding the same, posting the same, and chasing the same fake engagement, the opportunity is simple. Be human. Be useful. Be different. What You’ll Learn Why so many viral real estate and AI group posts are designed only for engagementHow fake controversy and bait posts are being used to push lead gen servicesWhy commenting on nonsense content only makes your feed worseThe danger of AI generated sameness in your brand and messagingWhy being more human, more clear, and more original matters now more than everReal Talk Quotes “Some of these posts are not real life. They’re just engagement clickbait.”“Don’t get sucked into wasting time on stuff that isn’t going to help your business.”“It’s never been more important to be a real human person and be great at what you do.”“Everyone’s posts are starting to look the same.”“Stop engaging with the slop.”Tactical Takeaways ✅ Not every post deserves your attention, your comment, or your outrage ✅ A lot of Facebook group content is built to bait engagement, not solve problems  ✅ AI can help your content, but if it strips out your voice, it hurts your brand  ✅ If your feed is full of trash, part of the problem is what you keep engaging with  ✅ The more the internet fills with sameness, the more authenticity becomes a competitive advantage Why This Episode Matters Too many mortgage and real estate pros are burning time on garbage content, fake arguments, and recycled AI nonsense instead of building trust, authority, and real relationships. This episode matters because attention is expensive now. If you waste it on junk, you lose twice. Once in the time you spent, and again in the quality of content the algorithm feeds you next. The pros who win in this environment won’t be the loudest. They’ll be the most real, the most useful, and the most recognizable. The MLO Project is EMPOWERED by: Empower LO

    19 min

  7. MAR 10

    Nothing Says “Helping Veterans” Like Steering & Kickbacks | Ep. 54

    Send us Fan Mail The mortgage industry is buzzing about one headline right now: Veterans United is being accused of steering and deceiving military veterans. In this episode, Frazier and Michael break down what the lawsuit actually says, what parts of it matter, and why loan officers should be paying attention. This conversation goes deeper than industry gossip. It touches on the ethics of VA loan marketing, potential RESPA violations, and the bigger issue of how veterans are treated within the mortgage system. The hosts also debate whether loan officers should talk about competitors publicly or if doing so only amplifies their brand. If you work with VA borrowers, this is a conversation you need to hear. What You’ll Learn Why Veterans United is facing accusations of steering and deception The RESPA Section 8 issue at the center of the lawsuit How referral kickbacks and real estate partnerships may play a role Why many loan officers have long been skeptical of Veterans United’s marketing The difference between competitor criticism and consumer education How VA-focused loan officers can use this moment to better serve veterans Real Talk Quotes “Veterans United is a marketing company that found a niche and exploited it.” “If you’re the biggest VA lender in the country, you better not also be the worst one.” “Don’t confuse VA loans with VU loans.” “Just because something generates leads doesn’t mean it delivers value.” “If you went to a calculator page and didn’t get a calculation… that’s not a calculator.” Tactical Takeaways ✅ If you specialize in VA loans, educate borrowers on how the process actually works ✅ Use industry headlines as conversation starters, not marketing gimmicks ✅ Understand RESPA referral rules if your business involves agent partnerships ✅ Focus on service and expertise instead of competing purely on brand recognition ✅ Build trust with veteran clients through transparency and education Why This Episode Matters VA loans are one of the most powerful benefits available to military veterans. When companies misuse marketing, misrepresent relationships with the VA, or create referral structures that may violate RESPA, it doesn’t just affect competitors. It affects the perception of VA loans themselves. For loan officers who genuinely care about serving veterans, this moment is a reminder that integrity and education matter more than aggressive marketing. Empower LO DIFRNT Coaching Community Broker Toolkit

    25 min

  8. MAR 4

    Attention, Traffic, Data. That's The Game Now. Are You Playing? | Ep. 53

    Send us Fan Mail On this episode of The MLO Project with Frazier & Michael McAllister... Compass pulled 500,000 listings from Zillow overnight. Redfin gets the inventory. Rocket gets the mortgage. And most loan officers are still asleep. Frazier and Michael break down the Compass, Redfin, and Rocket trifecta, what it actually means for your pipeline, and why the loan officers who have been building real relationships are going to be fine while everyone else scrambles. In This Episode: What the Compass and Redfin exclusive listing deal actually meansWhy Rocket doesn't need Redfin to be profitableThe real threat to your pipeline that nobody is talking aboutWhy your database is the only moat you have leftWhat separates the loan officers who will thrive from the ones who won'tResources Mentioned: Empower LO: https://empowerlo.comDIFRNT Coaching Community: https://difrntcoach.com/winBroker Toolkit: https://brokertoolkit.app/Connect With Us: themloproject@empowerlo.comLeave us a review and let us know what topics you want us to cover next.

    33 min
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Dismantling the Status Quo, One Episode at a Time.  The MLO Project is THE podcast for loan officers and industry professionals who are ready to evolve. We’re here to disrupt the old guard, break free from outdated norms, and deliver insights that actually matter. Hosted by mortgage industry veterans Jason Frazier & Michael McAllister, The MLO Project promises No fluff. No clichés. Just real talk, fresh ideas, and actionable takeaways to elevate your career and the industry.The MLO Project is presented by Empower LO

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  • Creator
    Frazier
  • Years Active
    2018 - 2026
  • Episodes
    60
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © 2026 The MLO Project
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    The MLO Project

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