Lunch Hour Legal Marketing

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Are you hungry for more clients? Tired of wasting time (and money) on marketing that doesn’t work? This podcast serves up real-world tips and proven digital marketing strategies that actually drive results for law firms. Hosted by Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam—two legal marketing pros who’ve been in the trenches. You’ll get practical advice on client acquisition, website teardowns, and what’s actually working for lawyers today—all with a touch of mirth. Congratulations, you found it—THE podcast for lawyers who want to grow their practice! So, if you’re ready to take your business to the next level, pull up a seat and dig in with Lunch Hour Legal Marketing.

  1. Claudia Unleashed!

    1D AGO

    Claudia Unleashed!

    Conrad and Gyi are live from ABA TECHSHOW 2026 at McCormick Place in Chicago, and they've got a big announcement. Lunch Hour Legal Marketing is going all-in on AI with the debut of Claudia, the podcast's new AI co-host. Trained on the most authoritative legal marketing sources (including this very podcast), backed by private equity from Amazon's Alexa Fund, and equipped with her own proprietary accuracy-testing model... What could possibly go wrong? The guys break down the news: A landmark social media addiction verdict against Meta and Google  The epic police accountability case starring Afroman A lawyer whose social profiles were hijacked by a Morgan & Morgan slogan Thanks to our sponsors: Thyme, Alps, LexReception, CallRail, and our new sponsors, Lawmatics and Juvo Leads!An additional thank you to the hosts of this week's events, Smokeball and 8AM!   Chapters 0:00 Welcome from ABA TECHSHOW 2026 0:43 Thank You: Smokeball & 8AM 1:54 Why TECHSHOW Is Different 2:42 Big Announcement Coming 3:26 New Format & Weekly Episodes 3:53 Going All-In on AI 4:17 News: Afroman's Civil Rights Case 5:29 News: Meta & Google Social Media Addiction Verdict 6:27 News: Attorney's Social Profiles Hacked 7:29 ALPS Insurance Ad (Read by Claudia) 8:56 Introducing Claudia, AI Co-Host 11:04 What Claudia Does for LHLM 11:19 How Claudia Was Trained 12:37 Hallucinations & Accuracy — How Claudia Handles It 13:35 The Self-Serving Training Problem 14:34 Claudia as Agency Secret Sauce 15:20 Three Firms Per Market — The Business Model 16:02 Claudia's... Unconventional Capabilities 16:56 Things Get Weird 17:22 Budget AI Problems

    20 min
  2. Mail Bag – You Asked, We Answered

    MAR 25

    Mail Bag – You Asked, We Answered

    We love answering your questions, folks! Gyi and Conrad have collected a series of queries from a variety of LHLM listeners, and they’ve got plenty of tactical insights to share. ----- Mail time! When we know what’s on your mind, we can bring you the focused, valuable guidance you need to keep growing and improving your law firm business. So, what questions & answers do we have for you today? They guys address marketing mindset shifts (think like a CEO!), seemingly dubious PPC data, visibility tips, 2026 conference recommendations, and more. Also, things are a’changing at Lunch Hour Legal Marketing. Gyi & Conrad take a moment to explain the new partnerships they've been developing, and the next step in the evolution of the podcast.  The News: Greater personalization seems to be the driving force behind the expansion of Personal Intelligence across AI Mode in Search, the Gemini app, and Gemini in Chrome. Is this good? Bad? Another step toward hyperdependency? We’ll see: Bringing the power of Personal Intelligence to more people Anthropic has done an extensive study on What 81,000 People Want from AI. Give it a read. Users can now ask AI about the businesses they see in Google Maps, and we think this promises to bring some significant user behavior shifts over time. Think about it: How we’re reimagining Maps with Gemini. OpenAI updates: Introducing GPT‑5.4 mini and nano. Find Conrad and Gyi at ABA TECHSHOW!   Listen Next:  BS You Hear at Legal Conferences Connect: The Bite - Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Newsletter! Leave Us an Apple Review  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on YouTube  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok r/LHLM Chapters 00:00 Intro: LHLM at ABA TECHSHOW 2026 02:23 The News: Google's Personal Intelligence & AI 03:16 The News: Anthropic’s Massive AI Study 04:10 The News: Google Maps Re-Imagined with Gemini 05:10 The News: New ChatGPT Release 05:31 Find LHLM at ABA TECHSHOW 06:43 An Evolution for Lunch Hour Legal Marketing (Sponsored Endorsement Model) 13:50 Listener Review: Invaluable 5 Stars 14:58 Opening the LHLM Mailbag 15:15 Mailbag Q1: Helping Marketing Operators Think Like a CEO 22:54 Mailbag Q2: Turned Off PPC, No Drop in Leads - Why? 29:57 Mailbag Q3: Top 3 Trends to Increase Visibility/Growth 36:20 Mailbag Q4: Legal Conferences to Attend in 2026 39:10 Wrap-Up

    43 min
  3. Beets, Berries, and Better Paralegals

    MAR 18

    Beets, Berries, and Better Paralegals

    Paralegals might not wear capes, but they’re often the ones keeping your law firm running and making sure your clients are happy. Conrad and Gyi dive into the unsung, everyday heroes of your practice, your paralegals, and how the right team can make or break your client experience. We highlight a few key clips from a full-length interview Conrad had with Ryan McKeen and Marisa Rua from Para Era about building better paralegal training programs, hiring talent from unexpected industries like food service, and creating systems that let paralegals thrive.  Your paralegals are often the first face of your firm, the first voice clients hear, and the first impression that shapes your brand. Ryan and Marissa discuss how to turn that reality into a competitive advantage.📺 Want to hear our entire discussion with Ryan and Marisa? Watch on YouTube The News Congratulations to Neil Katyal for overturning Trump’s unconstitutional tariffs. Big law firms like Jenner & Block, WilmerHale, Perkins Coie, and Susman Godfrey stand strong, proving that not all big law groups are wusses. And yes, your paralegals are still more important than you thought.   Chapters: 00:00 Dirty Hands and Native Berries 02:34 News: Legal Wins and Law Firm Backbone 04:07 Why Paralegals Matter for Marketing 06:07 The Paralegal Training Gap 06:33 Hiring Great Paralegals (Even with Zero Experience) 08:45 Marketing Law Firm Jobs to Non-Legal Talent 09:18 When It’s Time to Let a Paralegal Go 10:14 Operational Tips for Better Paralegal Performance 10:18 Let Paralegals Schedule Their Own Calls 11:47 Send Paralegals to Conferences Too

    16 min
  4. Olympic Lawyer on Competition, Law Firm Growth, and the Rule of Law

    MAR 11

    Olympic Lawyer on Competition, Law Firm Growth, and the Rule of Law

    A real Olympian on our little podcast?! Athlete and lawyer Rich Ruohonen shows us all how excellence and commitment are good for business. And, more importantly, how standing up for what’s right as both a citizen and a representative of the law is so necessary in our current cultural climate.  ---- Okay, so maybe you can’t be an Olympian, but you can grow your business by pursuing your passions, investing in your community, and showing genuine care for those around you. Gyi and Conrad are honored to welcome Rich Ruohonen, the oldest-ever American winter Olympian, to talk about his experiences with the American Curling team in the 2026 Milano Cortina Olympic Games. Oh, and for all you lawyers out there, Rich shares down-to-earth insights on how his personal injury law firm engages with their community.  Later, in the wake of the killings of Renée Good and Alex Pretti, Rich was compelled to use the Olympic stage to speak out about ICE violence in his home state of Minnesota. He shares what that experience meant for him as both a lawyer and a citizen of our great country. Thank you to Rich for representing our country and the profession so well.  📺 Watch: Rich's Olympic Speech   The News: Guess this wasn’t a no-brainer—don’t be a dummy and talk about sensitive information with public AI chatbots. This case shows us why: United States v. HEPPNER And, in more AI nonsense: Lawyer apologizes for fake quotes, fabricated judgments generated by AI in murder case. Yikes. And, some lawyer skulduggery in South Carolina: Lowcountry Attorney Charged with Defrauding $1.5M from Mt. Pleasant Law Firm and Clients. Eesh. On a lighter note, get your tickets for the LHLM Summit! Yay!   Listen Next: The One Where Gyi and Conrad Rock the Boat   Connect: The Bite - Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Newsletter! Leave Us an Apple Review  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on YouTube  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok r/LHLM  In This Episode: 00:00 Fit Check 02:24 Starting with the News 07:50 Introducing Olympian Lawyer Rich Ruohonen 08:18 Rich's Olympic Journey in Curling 15:15 Curling, Law, and Business: The Intersection of Being an Athlete and a Trial Lawyer 29:11 Making a Stand: Rich Ruohonen's Olympic Speech on the Rule of Law in Minnesota 41:18 Closing & Final Thanks

    48 min
  5. Help, My Law Firm Is Stuck! – Should I Expand Practice Areas or Locations?

    FEB 25

    Help, My Law Firm Is Stuck! – Should I Expand Practice Areas or Locations?

    Business feeling stagnant in your smaller market? Contradictory to our previous claims, adding a new practice area might be just the thing. But first, new Direct Business Search data just dropped—what do you do now? ----- Fantastic news, everybody—Google has finally segmented out your Direct Business Search results. What does that mean for you? Gyi and Conrad hash out the details to help you understand how this new data could affect your tactics and budget, ultimately bringing better focus to your marketing efforts.  Later, we’ve often said that finding your niche area in legal practice can be a very effective way to capture more business in your market. Buuut… is that always true? Could there, perchance, be a situation where adding new practice areas is the best move for your business? Gyi and Conrad discuss the pros and cons of practice expansion and how to stay tactical and competitive in the process.  The News: Very clever PR stunt, folks. – Cheeky law firm offers to help Native American tribe evict Billie Eilish from their land after smug Grammys rant.  Just want to offer our appreciation to Rich Ruohonen for being an awesome athlete, lawyer, and citizen of our great country – A 54-year-old personal injury lawyer from Minnesota just became the oldest US Winter Olympian Google Direct Business Search data now showing in LSAs.  Fresh Near Media Research is on its way. Stay tuned!    Listen Next: LHLM Office Hours  Connect: The Bite - Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Newsletter! Leave Us an Apple Review  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on YouTube  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok r/LHLM

    42 min
  6. The One Where Gyi and Conrad Rock the Boat

    FEB 11

    The One Where Gyi and Conrad Rock the Boat

    Hey, friends. The hard truth of it is—It’s bad for business if there’s no rule of law. We’re grateful for the voices in the profession that have shown a willingness to defend our nation’s laws in the midst of uncertainty. Later, Conrad shares tips for making friends. ----- We’ve been heartened to see a variety of voices standing up for the rule of law in recent weeks, and working in legal, we know the pressures firms feel as they consider how to engage in our current political climate. But, on this we can all agree: The rule of law is essential for the health and prosperity of our nation. Gyi and Conrad take a moment to share stories and amplify the voices of those who have shown their commitment to uphold the Constitution.  Next, Conrad really opened a can of worms on Facebook this week. Come for the drama, stay for the tactical tips on standing out in a world of private equity-backed agencies. Grab some popcorn. The News: Bob Ambrogi digs into the hopeful thought that legal-specific tech platforms can do a better job for lawyers’ AI needs – Anthropic’s Legal Plugin for Claude Cowork May Be the Opening Salvo In A Competition Between Foundation Models and Legal Tech Incumbents Multiple clients have seen a 40% drop in their local visibility. Seems shady, eh?  If you don’t control your WordPress site, there’s a problem, folks. Gyi & Conrad explain how to own your stuff from the get-go.  Announcing the Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Summit in Nashville, Tennessee! It’s gonna be a great time, everyone. Get your tickets before they’re all gone! Mentioned: NCBP discusses the rule of law: Presidential Check-In – A Conversation with Patrick Palace  Sign the Pledge! Listen Next: Local Love, Review Realities, and the Truth about Google’s PMax Campaigns   Connect: The Bite - Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Newsletter! Leave Us an Apple Review  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on YouTube  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok r/LHLM

    51 min
  7. Local Love, Review Realities, and the Truth about Google’s PMax Campaigns

    JAN 28

    Local Love, Review Realities, and the Truth about Google’s PMax Campaigns

    As you advertise locally, advertise your localness! Then, what's a small firm to do in the sea of reviews? And, we really hate Google’s Performance Max nonsense.  ----- Lots to cover today, folks! Being connected to your community matters, and consumers respond with notable positivity to ads that emphasize all the local feels. Gyi and Conrad have plenty of insights on making the most of where you’re planted. Next, fake reviews keep pouring in, and you need a clear strategy to rise above the flood. The guys share tactical tips for directing your resources to become a strong competitor in your marketplace. And, lastly, Google’s PMax campaigns are a mighty unfunny joke. Ugh. The data is in, and—surprise, surprise—Google might not have your best interest at heart. Gyi and Conrad pick apart the latest data to help you understand what these campaigns are (not) doing for your law firm.    The News: OpenAI put this out there: Our approach to advertising and expanding access to ChatGPT. And, just to remind you all, at one point they told us ads were definitely not in the game plan. But… qué será, será, eh?  Near Media’s “Near Memo” podcast welcomed our very own Gyi for a chat you should definitely go listen to: AI Is Breaking Local Search—But Google Still Decides Who Gets Chosen   Mentioned:  Al Ludwig's LinkedIn post    Listen Next: Conrad’s Crystal Ball V: Lawyer Marketing Predictions for 2026     Connect: The Bite - Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Newsletter! Leave Us an Apple Review  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on YouTube  Lunch Hour Legal Marketing on TikTok r/LHLM

    45 min
  8. How Podcasting Can Change Your Business || LHLM Takeout

    JAN 22

    How Podcasting Can Change Your Business || LHLM Takeout

    How did our delightful little pod become what it is today? Gyi and Conrad chat with Ben & Brian Glass at The Great Legal Marketing Summit about their respective entrances into the legal marketing world and the story of the podcast’s growing-up years. They discuss what podcasts can & can’t do as a marketing tool for your business and how to create a conversation worth listening to. Father-Son duo Ben and Brian Glass are prominent personal injury lawyers and business partners at BenGlassLaw in Fairfax, Virginia. They are known for their trial work, business acumen, and innovative marketing.

    29 min
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Are you hungry for more clients? Tired of wasting time (and money) on marketing that doesn’t work? This podcast serves up real-world tips and proven digital marketing strategies that actually drive results for law firms. Hosted by Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam—two legal marketing pros who’ve been in the trenches. You’ll get practical advice on client acquisition, website teardowns, and what’s actually working for lawyers today—all with a touch of mirth. Congratulations, you found it—THE podcast for lawyers who want to grow their practice! So, if you’re ready to take your business to the next level, pull up a seat and dig in with Lunch Hour Legal Marketing.

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