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The Burnouts with Phoebe & Sophia

As former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out.

  1. 3D AGO

    Celebrity Stylist: How To Stand Out, Style Celebrities — 10-min Morning Fashion Upgrade (Rachel Zoe)

    Rachel Zoe breaks down how to build a standout career in fashion before you feel ready. You’ll also learn her practical frameworks for getting dressed with less stress and more impact...  Rachel Zoe is a celebrity stylist, fashion entrepreneur, and pop-culture icon known for shaping red-carpet style and building a major lifestyle brand. She shares the behind-the-scenes realities of creative work, ambition, and reinvention.    Chapters 00:00 Intro + the pressure of “no margin for error”  00:12 The Tommy Hilfiger break that changed everything  04:12 Huge shoots and learning on the job  05:12 The realities of styling high-profile clients  07:07 Styling for *them*, not for you  10:14 Psychology of styling  13:21 The “uniform” method  15:54 Top fashion essentials for all women  18:24 Dressing for the job you want  20:32 Photographic memory + how Rachel thinks visually  22:43 Breaking into fashion today  26:49 Relationship advice  33:57 Work-life balance  35:07 Why she joined Real Housewives    🔗 FOLLOW US  https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates  https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni  https://www.instagram.com/rachelzoe    🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS  https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts  https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts  https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts    📲 Support What We’re Building  Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com    About The Burnouts  The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.  Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more.  Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    37 min
  2. FEB 19

    Multi-Millionaire: You've Been Sold a Lie! Do NOT Lose Your Relationships! (ft. Sahil Bloom)

    Sahil Bloom had everything society tells you to want: Stanford degree, private equity job, money, status — but he was miserable. Drinking seven nights a week. 40 pounds overweight. Seeing his parents once a year.  In this episode, Sahil breaks down the moment that changed everything: a friend calculating he’d only see his parents 15 more times before they died. Within 45 days, he quit his high-paying job, sold his house, and moved across the country to redesign his life around what actually mattered.  Now the New York Times bestselling author of The 5 Types of Wealth, Sahil shares why money only buys happiness up to a point, how to build real wealth beyond just finances, and why “nobody is thinking about you” might be the most freeing advice for your 20s. We talk about quitting safely, replacing your salary with side hustles, AI as the biggest mispriced opportunity right now, finding a mentor (yes, including Tim Cook), building leverage through content, and how to design a life you won’t regret.  If you’ve ever felt successful on paper but empty in real life, this episode is for you.    Chapters 00:00 The Life That Looked Perfect (But Wasn’t)  02:40 Private Equity, Status & Silent Burnout  05:55 The “15 Times Left” Wake-Up Call  09:30 Quitting a High-Paying Job in 45 Days  13:15 Redefining Wealth Beyond Money  17:05 The 5 Types of Wealth Explained  21:20 Measuring Yourself on the Wrong Scoreboard  25:10 Does Money Actually Buy Happiness?  29:00 Replacing Your Salary Before You Quit  33:10 AI as the Biggest Mispriced Opportunity  37:00 How to Find (and Earn) a Great Mentor  41:10 “Nobody Is Thinking About You” & Designing Your Life    🔗 FOLLOW US  https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates  https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni  https://www.instagram.com/sahilbloom    🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS  https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts  https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts  https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts    📲 Support What We’re Building  Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com    About The Burnouts  The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.  Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more.  Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    45 min
  3. FEB 12

    Design Genius: How to Break into the Fashion Industry with NO Degree or Connections— Rebecca Minkoff

    Rebecca Minkoff built a global fashion brand from a $3.25/hour internship, a scrappy “I ❤️ NY” tee after 9/11, and one breakout bag that women literally stopped her on the street to ask about. With no connections and no safety net, she moved to New York at 18, figured it out in real time, and turned hustle into a multi-million-dollar brand worn by celebrities and carried everywhere.  In this episode, Rebecca walks through the real story behind the “Morning After” bag, what it was like losing 70% of revenue overnight during COVID, and why most founders should think twice before raising venture capital. She shares hard-earned lessons on hiring and firing, betting on yourself, building a brand in the age of social media, and navigating fame through Real Housewives.  If you’ve ever wanted to start something from scratch, pivot when everything falls apart, or build a brand that lasts longer than trends — this episode is your blueprint.    Chapters 00:00 From No Connections to Fashion Icon  00:18 Moving to NYC With $3.25/Hour  01:19 Intern to Founder, Starting Her Own Line  02:00 I ❤️ NY Shirt Breakthrough  03:17 Betting It All on Bags  05:43 Going All In, Quitting Styling for Good  06:11 Networking Like Cash  09:29 Building a Brand in 2025 vs. 2005  10:17 Hiring, Firing & Learning to Let Go  19:52 COVID, 70% Revenue Drop & Rebuilding the Business  31:15 Real Housewives, Brand Impact & Mental Toll  35:04 NFL, Amazon & Building Strategic Partnerships  36:55 What’s Next    🔗 FOLLOW US  https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates  https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni  https://www.instagram.com/beckyminkoff  https://www.instagram.com/rebeccaminkoff    🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS  https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts  https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts  https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts    📲 Support What We’re Building  Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com    About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.  Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more.  Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    39 min
  4. FEB 5

    Duolingo CEO: How to Make Learning as Addictive as Social Media! Stop Wasting Time!

    Luis Von Ahn details the story behind Duolingo and its famous owl, how to do handle marketing in the TikTok era, hiring young talent, and using addictive habits for good.   Chapters  00:00:00 Intro & The Owl  00:02:35 Unhinged Marketing  00:06:09 TikTok Era  00:08:06 Owl As the Face + Approving Risky Posts  00:10:31 Hiring New Grads and “No Assholes”  00:14:29 Making Learning Feel Delightful  00:16:57 Addictive Habit Loops  00:18:38 Expanding Beyond Languages  00:19:26 Guatemala Roots + Free Education Mission  00:23:40 AI  00:31:00 Impact  00:36:58 What's Next for Duolingo?    🔗 FOLLOW US  https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates  https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni  https://www.instagram.com/duolingo    🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS  https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts  https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts  https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts    📲 Support What We’re Building  Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com    About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.  Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more.  Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    40 min
  5. JAN 29

    How to Make Money... What We Learned from the Most Successful People in the World

    Phoebe and Sophia detail the best lessons they have learned from the career playbooks of the most successful people in the world, from how to leverage relationships in your career to what makeup to wear. The Burnouts celebrate hitting 200,000 subscribers, and launching Phia, which has already reached one million users and raised a $35 million Series A. Thank you for watching, for subscribing, and for being part of this journey with us.   Chapters 00:00 - Intro  00:50 - Leveraging Relationships in Negotiating  03:12 - Screen for Niceness  05:10 - Office Culture  06:30 - What Makeup to Wear?  10:40 - Routines & Uniforms  12:06 - Future Self  12:46 - Top Goals for 2026    🔗 FOLLOW US  https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates  https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni    🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS  https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts  https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts  https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts    📲 Support What We’re Building  Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale.    Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com    About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    17 min
  6. JAN 15

    The Money Expert: 5 Businesses That Can Make You RICH (Without a 9-to-5!) ft. Codie Sanchez

    Codie Sanchez breaks down why chasing fame is a losing game—and why real wealth is often built quietly through “boring” businesses most people overlook. Drawing on her background in institutional finance and small-business acquisitions, Codie explains how she spots unfair opportunities, why she exited industries like cannabis despite strong returns, and which unsexy sectors can consistently generate cash today. The conversation dives into college versus trade school, the true value of elite networks, and how parental expectations can hold young people back from building the life they actually want. Codie shares practical advice on making more money early in your career—finding your unfair advantage, helping your boss win, stacking skills, and learning to negotiate by understanding how value is really created inside a business. They also cover sales, mentorship, investing basics, and how to start learning deals without taking reckless risks. Codie closes with a candid take on investing in your health, appearance, and resilience—arguing that winning often comes down to doing hard things early and playing the game as it actually exists, not how we wish it worked. Chapters  0:00 Rich vs Famous  3:17 Overlooked Businesses & Early Investing  9:42 Why Boring Businesses Win  17:11 College, Trade School & Social Capital  26:08 Parents, Pressure & Choosing Advice  34:19 How to Make More Money Early  42:07 Sales, Skills & Standing Out at Work  50:23 Investing Basics & Learning Deals  57:41 Health, Appearance & Playing to Win  1:03:18 Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up    🔗 FOLLOW US  https://www.instagram.com/phoebegates  https://www.instagram.com/sophiakianni  https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS https://www.instagram.com/theburnouts  https://www.tiktok.com/@theburnouts  https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-burnouts    📲 Support What We’re Building  Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow → https://www.phia.com  About The Burnouts  The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    1h 5m
  7. JAN 8

    $400M Investor Explains the Confidence Gap Holding You Back (ft. 20VC Harry Stebbings)

    He started a podcast in his bedroom before most people land their first job. Now, Harry Stebbings runs one of the most influential platforms in venture capital and manages a $400M fund. In this episode of The Burnouts, Harry sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to unpack what actually drives success — and why so many smart, ambitious people stay stuck. From dropping out of law school to building leverage through content, Harry shares the lessons he learned the hard way about confidence, decision-making, and playing the long game. This conversation goes far beyond startups and investing. Harry opens up about the confidence gap holding people back, why men bluff and women wait, and how likeability, storytelling, and persistence often matter more than raw intelligence. He explains how content became one of the most powerful tools in his career, why distribution now shapes opportunity, and how relationships — not resumes — drive the biggest decisions. Harry also reflects on regret, missed deals, mentorship, and the uncomfortable truth that success often comes from taking action before you feel ready. Whether you’re early in your career, thinking about building something of your own, or just feeling behind, this episode offers a rare, honest look at what actually works. Chapters 00:00 – The Reality of Entrepreneurship 00:40 – From The Social Network to Dropping Out of Law School 01:55 – Building a Fund Through Media & Network Effects 02:31 – Why Venture Capital Over Being a Founder 03:38 – Co-Founders, Breakups & Hard Personal Lessons 07:18 – What Actually Makes a Great Founder 08:55 – Gender, Confidence & Entrepreneurship 14:23 – Mentorship vs Coaching & How to Get Access 16:40 – Content as a Distribution Weapon 23:29 – Finding Your First True Fans 25:18 – Building & Managing High-Performance Teams 29:22 – Investment Mistakes & Missed Billion-Dollar Deals 31:35 – Vulnerability, Trust & People Skills 36:05 – WhatsApp, Fundraising & Relationship Scaling 37:30 – Trust, Endurance & Outworking Everyone 40:00 – Storytelling, Creativity & the Risk of AI 44:16 – Being a Great Investor When Things Go Wrong 45:02 – Final Advice: Take the First Step   🔗 FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Harry Stebbings 20VC 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram TikTok LinkedIn 📲 Support What We’re Building Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow. About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    46 min
  8. JAN 1

    How NASCAR Driver Toni Breidinger Went From Delivering Groceries to Modeling for Victoria’s Secret

    One day, she was racing Daytona. The next, she was shooting for Victoria’s Secret. NASCAR driver, model, and trailblazer Toni Breidinger is living two worlds, and paying the price to stay in both. In this episode of The Burnouts, Toni sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to reveal the brutal, behind-the-scenes reality of motorsports. She opens up about being told she needed $1–2 million just to race, moving across the country at 18 with no funding, and surviving by doing Instacart by day and cold emails by night. Toni breaks down why talent isn’t enough in NASCAR, how social media literally saved her career, and what it’s like being the only woman racing NASCAR full-time—from unequal pay to brand sponsorship politics. She also shares how she navigates modeling in a male-dominated sport, why she turned down six-figure OnlyFans offers, and how she built a sustainable career when every race depends on sponsorship dollars. Whether you’re chasing a nontraditional career, building a personal brand, or betting on yourself when the odds feel stacked against you, this episode is packed with raw honesty, hard lessons, and real strategy. Chapters 00:00 – unequal pay & being the only woman in nascar 03:00 – starting racing at age 9 06:30 – realizing racing costs millions 09:00 – told she needed $1–2 million to compete 11:00 – moving cross-country at 18 13:00 – instacart by day, cold emails by night 16:00 – how social media saved her career 20:00 – brand deals, sponsorships & unequal pay 25:00 – modeling, victoria’s secret & sports illustrated 30:00 – turning down six-figure onlyfans offers 36:00 – funding races & surviving motorsports 48:00 – what’s next: the road to the cup series 🔗 FOLLOW US Phoebe Gates Sophia Kianni Toni Breidinger 🔥 FOLLOW THE BURNOUTS Instagram TikTok LinkedIn 📲 Support What We’re Building Phoebe and Sophia aren’t just your hosts—they’re the founders of Phia, a fashion-tech app helping shoppers find the best prices across retail and resale. Download the app and help us grow. About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    46 min

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As former Stanford roommates and now business partners, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni share their experience as startup founders and the complexities of being young professionals—from financial literacy, social impact, and navigating networking (ever been hit on through LinkedIn?). With exclusive access to top experts, they offer an inside look at their chaotic lives alongside career insights from their network of thought leaders. Watch The Burnouts pursue their dreams while trying to keep their lives from going up in flames. Will they burn out? We’ll find out.

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